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Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by avar on Saturday December 12, 2015 @04:31PM (#10724238)
This question paraphrased in the context of the article is basically asking whether or not you believe in ghosts.

Not only would you have to believe in ghosts, but some of these apartments are in cities that were firebombed by the US in living memory, you'd have to believe in ghosts that couldn't move around and were local to specific apartments to care about this more than "were there firebombings in this area?" or "was this house constructed before WWII?".

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by patio11 on Saturday December 12, 2015 @04:46PM (#10724288)
It's more a purity thing than "do you believe in ghosts." Many cultures, including yours, have beliefs with regards to purity which are not wholly explained by physics. For example, animal fat can be used to make soap. Humans are animals. You would probably feel very unhappy if someone informed you that, unbeknownst to you, your soap had been replaced with soap made out of people. It is not a property of chemistry that your soap remembers being a human, any more than your drinking water remembers being urine last week, but you're very concerned about ex-human soap and not at all concerned about ex-urine drinking water.
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by SapphireSun on Saturday December 12, 2015 @04:57PM (#10724320)
You're definitely right. I think when you try to rationalize it though, the more sophisticated argument is that in the soap example, you're creeped out because you feel like you're using a person as a means and not an end in themselves. It feels like it is disgracing someone you never met, that was physically transformed by cruel inhuman processes, which in turn disgraces yourself.

In the instance of cremation, you are saying goodbye to a person and not using them as a means to an end, it is a form of respect. The individual isn't commodified on a practical level (though the funeral industry has something to say about that).

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by janzer on Saturday December 12, 2015 @05:03PM (#10724336)
Given stories like this: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/city-to-drain-reservoir-after-te... (Notice that was the second time in just a few years because of it)

I have a feeling people are only unconcerned about ex-urine water because they are unaware and trying to improve awareness is not likely to help.

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by ck2 on Saturday December 12, 2015 @05:35PM (#10724447)
It's not amazing people believe in ghosts so much that they believe gravity somehow affects ghosts which blows my mind.

Because the earth is no longer remotely close to where the person died, not around the sun, not in the solar system, and given the universe is constantly expanding, millions of miles from where they died.

So somehow ghosts are both non-corporeal yet affected by gravity.

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by PhasmaFelis on Saturday December 12, 2015 @06:08PM (#10724566)
Every incorporeal thing we know of (photons, neutrinos) is affected by gravity. If you have chosen to believe in incorporeal ghosts, it's not at all strange to assume they would be affected by gravity. It's kind of weird to assume that they wouldn't, actually.
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by ck2 on Sunday December 13, 2015 @11:35AM (#10726779)
Okay let's put it this way, photons are barely affected by gravity because of their near zero mass.

So you think ghosts have mass? Or rather near zero mass?

Because it takes massive amounts of gravity to affect photons, you won't see the gravity of earth keeping photons in place like say a person.

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by jcranmer on Saturday December 12, 2015 @07:12PM (#10724794)
According to the theory of general relativity, gravity isn't so much a force as it is matter literally changing the definition of a straight line. It would be weird for anything to not be affected by gravity.
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by ck2 on Sunday December 13, 2015 @11:38AM (#10726794)
There's a neutrino (and maybe a tachyon) that would like to have a word with you.

But anything with near zero mass like a photon pretty much ignores anything but massive amounts of gravity.

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by tolmasky on Saturday December 12, 2015 @07:26PM (#10724838)
What I don't understand is believing in ghosts and not being scared all the time. I think if I ever saw a ghost, that would be it right? I'd be done, I'd be scared all the time after that, because they can go through walls and do whatever. I don't get "casual" belief in these things.

I can respect big foot hunters, they believe in him and thus devote their time to finding him. I can't on the other hand understand some friends of mine who thought, again casually, that there were dinosaurs in Africa. If I thought that I'd be looking for them right now.

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by industriousthou on Saturday December 12, 2015 @10:57PM (#10725369)
I used to have exactly this attitude about ghosts. I don't believe in them, but if I did, they would be this incredibly scary thing and my whole worldview would be different.

Over time, though, I've talked to and read about people who view ghosts much in the same way that they view living people. Mostly benign, but possibly harmful if you piss them off. So people live in homes where they believe that there's a ghost around, but they don't mind. They chat with them, etc.

I come from an evangelical Christian background, so this mindset was really surprising to me.

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by pmoriarty on Saturday December 12, 2015 @05:06PM (#10724347)
If you knew a person committed suicide in your apartment, your mind might dwell on that, you might experience what some psychologists call "intrusive thoughts" of how they died, what caused them to die, the effects their deaths had on their families, maybe of your own death or that of your loved ones, or of their potential suicide, etc.

How many people want to be reminded of that every time they come home, or when they see their family resting or playing in their apartment, or when guests come over and the subject of their apartment comes up, or when they just reminisce about its history?

Many people actually know someone who's committed suicide themselves. How many of them want to be constantly reminded of that?

Such reluctance doesn't necessarily have anything to do with believing in ghosts.

On the other hand, there is something known as the "contagion heuristic"[1], which is "a psychological heuristic leading people to avoid contact with people or objects viewed as "contaminated" by previous contact with someone or something viewed as bad". There's also the "law of contagion"[2] which is "a folk belief axiom found in magical thinking which suggests that, once two people or objects have been in contact, a magical link persists between them"

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagion_heuristic

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_contagion

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by efes on Saturday December 12, 2015 @04:51PM (#10724301)
I think another way to look at fear of ghosts is that it is a fear that something unknown about the environment contributed to the death. A house may be flawed in a subtle way that tends to lead to depression and suicide.. just as for cancers, problems like radon gas existed before they were identified.

Using such a view, past deaths on the same land in a different configuration are less "ghosty" as they no longer share as much in common with the suspect environment.

But by that argument, the landlord and/or builder should be paying up for their negligent design!

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by p1mrx on Saturday December 12, 2015 @04:40PM (#10724273)

  $ ping localghost
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by conistonwater on Saturday December 12, 2015 @05:13PM (#10724365)

    ping: cannot resolve localghost: Unknown ghost
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by maxander on Saturday December 12, 2015 @06:10PM (#10724573)
I heard it only works if you set a negative TTL.
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by fbbbbb on Saturday December 12, 2015 @06:16PM (#10724596)
Try setting it to an imaginary value.
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by karth1kyc on Saturday December 12, 2015 @11:00PM (#10725375)
Need to disable wifi and all form of network connections for this to work.
Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by etiam on Saturday December 12, 2015 @05:56PM (#10724530)
Not necessarily only that.

If I lived in one, would that have significant negative impact on my social life? Loss of status? Prejudices transfering to me as the tenant? People avoiding contact? Would it be unproblematic to invite people over?

Re:Japanese Suicide Apartments by morgante on Saturday December 12, 2015 @07:04PM (#10724773)
There's no reason you'd have to advertise that someone died in your apartment.