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Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by tomjen3 on Thursday December 10, 2015 @11:04AM (#10711278)
>The topic is about violence. Feminists aren't violent; in fact they're a reaction against gender-based violence.

This is board with many nerds. It is fair to say that we have all been bullied to some degree. Bullying may not be violent to the degree that it physically hits people over the head, but it is far more violent than anything feminism complains about.

And Doctor Matt Taylor was bullied for what clothing he choose to wear. By feminists.

Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by yesbabyyes on Thursday December 10, 2015 @09:49PM (#10715188)
> Bullying may not be violent to the degree that it physically hits people over the head, but it is far more violent than anything feminism complains about.

Anything? Like rape, beatings, and murder? You have some listening to do, friend. In fact, your comment is a perfect illustration of the fact that misogynistic men are bitter because of their experience of being shunned or ignored by women -- essentially the non-act of not getting loved -- while women are afraid of getting abused, raped or murdered by men; acts that happen in communities all over the world.

Not all men; but the minority that do are poisoning the well. If a woman didn't risk slander, abuse and rape she would be free to be flirtatious and gay, but if she's experienced that, she will put up her guard, and rightly so. Responding to that with more bitterness and slander, well that's just rushing down the spiral.

People want to have fun with each other. But if one has interactions with 100 others every week, and even one of them threatens you, then you will be threatened every week. Racism and sexism exist and is carried out by a minority, but that doesn't mean that you won't meet it constantly throughout your life. If you don't have that experience, then you are privileged. But since you haven't seen the other side of the coin, you will think that those who do are hysterical and exaggerating.

I wonder how we ended up here.

Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by kaonashi on Thursday December 10, 2015 @11:46AM (#10711575)
> Bullying may not be violent to the degree that it physically hits people over the head

Then it isn't violence. Bullying implies violence. You're describing something else.

Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by ebrenes on Thursday December 10, 2015 @12:40PM (#10711963)
One of the most stereotypical cases of bullying is to be openly mocked and made fun of in front of your peers for a perceived difference. There's no violence involved in that.

Have a look at what constitutes bullying [0]

Violence is but a subset of it.

Unless we were to water down the definition of violence to include any manner of ridicule. At which, you're diluting the definition of violence under the guise of staying steadfast on the definition of bullying necessarily including violence.

[0] http://www2.gov.bc.ca/myhr/article.page?ContentID=44eaf3f0-f...

Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by pervycreeper on Thursday December 10, 2015 @01:15PM (#10712236)
There has been an extraordinary semantic creep of the term "violence" under feminism. Everything they don't like is classified as violence, from one's mere gaze, to so-called "cyberviolence", to one's body posture, tone of voice, lack of social deference, or any other perceived arrogation of status.
Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by breischl on Thursday December 10, 2015 @12:09PM (#10711738)
>>Bullying implies violence.

That is incorrect. Dictionary definition: "Persistent acts intended to make life unpleasant for another person."

So if I followed you around HN for the rest of the week responding to all postings/comments with insults and browbeating, that would be completely non-violent but still bullying.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/bullying

Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by kaonashi on Thursday December 10, 2015 @12:33PM (#10711920)
I mean if we're going to use that definition, then the shirt itself was harassment.

Or is it just if I'm oblivious to the harassment I cause & don't care to find out, then it's somehow morally superior to someone repeatedly and strenuously asking me to stop?

Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by breischl on Thursday December 10, 2015 @05:46PM (#10714168)
>>I mean if we're going to use that definition, then the shirt itself was harassment.

I'll just assume you meant "bullying" instead of "harassment" since that was the immediate topic.

From my brief research it seems Matt Taylor wore the shirt because he liked it, not with an intention to harass women, so it fails the intent clause of the definition. And it appears he only wore it once, so it would also fail the persistence clause. Thus it wouldn't be bullying by that definition.

I suspect that wearing that shirt would qualify as harassment under some definitions, such as US workplace law. And I personally think it's in terrible taste in most contexts.

Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by 13thLetter on Friday December 11, 2015 @06:49PM (#10720967)
How is wearing a tacky bowling shirt "persistent acts intended to make life unpleasant for another person"? Can you, at the very least, point to that person?
Re:Most violence in the world is motivated by moral sentiments by tangent128 on Thursday December 10, 2015 @12:28PM (#10711890)
Dictionary definitions inherently lag behind practical usage; I would have no problem classifying harassment as a non-physical class of violence.

Especially given cases where it can be more damaging to a person than physical assaults against their meat.