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Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by vanderZwan on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @07:54AM (#10696035)
Eh... isn't the Joint Photographic Experts Group the one that patents everything?
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by TheCondor on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @09:56AM (#10696660)
Nope, they don't patent or even hold the patents, they are just a standards group.
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by fulafel on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @12:24PM (#10697829)
Manned by representatives of patent holder companies...
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by defenestration on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @08:29AM (#10696181)
I'm wondering, what incentive do researchers have to share their new compression algorithms with JPEG? Especially if JPEG patents everything as you suggest.
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by joosters on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @08:39AM (#10696225)
If it works similarly to other standards groups, they don't take the patents from inventors. Instead, they manage the patents and collect fees on behalf of the (many) holders, allowing anyone to buy the rights through a single entity. The various MPEGs and other formats like DIVX work in this way.
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by 0x09 on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:09AM (#10697209)
No that isn't true. ISO (MPEG/JPEG) does not play a part in licensing patents or forming patent pools, which is only natural when you consider the fact that ISO is an international organization headquartered in Geneva and every country has its own patent ecosystem.

Individual companies within a certain jurisdiction can certainly set up pools and court the various rightsholders who participate in the standards process, and that is what you see with e.g. MPEG-LA and HEVC Advance in the US. But these have no direct connection to ISO beyond using the name and serving the contributing organizations.

Also, JPEG and MPEG are both part of the same standards group. And Divx is just a brand of MPEG implementations.

Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by vanderZwan on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @03:24PM (#10699192)
Ah, so I accidentally spread FUD because, well... the situation is complicated and confusing.

Sadly I can't edit my top post any more :/

Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by pgeorgi on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:38AM (#10697446)
MPEG-LA (the patent pool organizer) isn't MPEG (the standard body), even if the former adopted the latter's name.

The only thing to blame standard bodies for is their dysfunctional approach at patents that incentivizes useless feature stuffing so that all parties have some patents in the mandatory-to-implement part of the spec.

Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by drpgq on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @08:36AM (#10696211)
Can they patent it if you disclose it in a paper?
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by mmf on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @09:17AM (#10696413)
No they cannot, and you cannot either :)
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by _delirium on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @11:22AM (#10697310)
In the U.S., you have one year from the initial date of public disclosure to file a patent application, so you can still patent it after publishing a paper, if you don't wait too long. See 35 U.S. § 102(b)(1), https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/35/102
Re:Grand Image Compression Challenge at ICIP 2016 by venning on Tuesday December 08, 2015 @09:53AM (#10696629)
Professional curiosity: is that because it would be considered prior art or is there some other provision that covers that kind of thing?