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Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by pjc50 on Monday December 07, 2015 @12:27PM (#10690916)
Bitcoin consists of two parts: a one-legged Merkle tree which I'm going to call a "merkle ledger", and a very very expensive proof-of-waste distributed stamping service to prevent double-spend.

One of the obvious things about Merkle ledgers is that everyone can have their own. You could have one per tradeable instrument on an exchange, for example. Anyone can start an altcoin; why not the BoE?

The proof-of-waste system allows the system to be fully distributed by continuously burning electricity such as to push up the minimum cost of overwriting some other node's choice of doublespend (note: NOT ability to forge transaction!) to very high levels.

If you discard the "distributed" requirement, you can save a lot of electricity by having a single or multiple CA-like series of authorized stamp-issuers. It then looks a lot more like Chaum's digital cash.

If you discard "pseudonymous" as well, noting that bitcoin pseudonymity is both fragile and directly contrary to KYC/AML, you can make further optimisations.

signature verification, P2P, cryptographic hashing, public-key cryptography

Old, but not yet widely deployed outside of the browser-CA system. Getting banks to use proper digital signature technology would be a major upgrade.

(Also, remember in the UK we have both EMV and "faster payments", so the US problems of stolen magswipes and waiting for cheques are not so prevalent.)

Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by CydeWeys on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:48PM (#10691638)
There's nothing particularly special about a one-legged Merkle tree though. It was around before Bitcoin and it wasn't widely used for much. Without proof-of-work you don't actually have a functioning distributed currency system. What is the point of a blockchain without proof-of-work? What problem does that solve in a uniquely good way? Or are you just saying that banks are so far behind in technology in general that even this (i.e. cryptographically signed transactions) would be a big improvement?
Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by jbpetersen on Monday December 07, 2015 @02:55PM (#10692187)
Are you familiar with proof-of-share?

There's also proof-of-burn in the context of bidding for the right of block validation, though that's far less developed than proof-of-share.

Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by Ono-Sendai on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:02PM (#10691217)
"proof of waste" - I like the phrase, sums it up well.

If you drop the distributed requirement you can run an equivalent system on on a pentium 4 in someone's basement, without wasting GWs of power and spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by brighton36 on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:25PM (#10691398)
Work is what makes entropy useable. It's through work that we can assert objective truth. It's certainly 'wasteful'. But, so too is gasoline.
Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by logician76 on Monday December 07, 2015 @02:11PM (#10691838)
But it's unbounded wasteful, why does nobody get that. There is no correlation with proof of work energy spent and actual value of transactions. Even worse, proof of work is almost exponentially getting worse over time.
Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by CydeWeys on Monday December 07, 2015 @03:31PM (#10692464)
> Even worse, proof of work is almost exponentially getting worse over time.

Huh? Exponentially? The difficulty level is rising exponentially, but that's owing to continued investment in specialized hashing hardware. I certainly don't think that the actual amount of electricity being put into hashing is still growing exponentially. It would only grow exponentially if the price of Bitcoin continued to appreciate exponentially, and that hasn't been the case in years.

Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by brighton36 on Monday December 07, 2015 @08:36PM (#10694202)
The network burns precisely as much energy as is needed to throttle the rate of consumption (roughly 25 btc per 10 minutes). It is bounded by the intrinsic and speculative value of Bitcoin.
Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by Ono-Sendai on Monday December 07, 2015 @02:11PM (#10691840)
Don't really understand you sorry.

Gasoline at least gets you from A to B. Burning cycles is much more wasteful. Bitcoin's proof of work/waste is really something like 'I can prove that it is statistically likely that I wasted a shit-ton of power heating this data centre, doing SHA hashes, trying to find one that has a high number of leading zeros.' That's pretty wasteful IMO.

Re:Blockchain Challenge by Bank of England by brighton36 on Monday December 07, 2015 @08:34PM (#10694196)
Burning cycles is the glue that binds a new block to the chain. The strength of this glue is what enables bitcoin's censorship degree of resistance. You may find censorship wasteful (and I don't particularly need that either), but the entirety of the bitcoin economy disagrees. Similarly I think people who have a two hour drive to work is wasteful.