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Re:Australian Geocoded national address data to be made open... by nathancahill on Monday December 07, 2015 @12:09AM (#10688064)
This is amazing. I was astonished that even zip code data is proprietary data of the USPS in the United States. It's possible to "reverse engineer" the data from publicly available census data (zip code tabulation areas) which is what I do and publish for free on ZipLocate[0]. Comparable datasets cost $499.

Canada's situation is even worse. Geocoder.ca has been sued by Canada Post[1] to take down their data (which Canada Post was selling for $5000).

The whole address data situation is really terrible. Glad to see Australia opening up the data.

[0] http://ziplocate.us/

[1] http://geocoder.ca/?sued=1

Re:Australian Geocoded national address data to be made open... by dsp1234 on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:03AM (#10688146)
US zip codes are authorized and assigned by the USPS, so by definition they are proprietary. However, the data itself (once it is obtained) is freely redistributable (in raw form).

The barrier is that the official source of zip code data, National Five-Digit ZIP Code and Post Office Directory, is copyrighted[0], and there is work in extracting the data from it.

The nice thing is that US copyright law limits the protection for "facts" [1]. The selection and arrangement of facts can be copyrighted, but not the underlying facts themselves. So it's perfectly legal in the US to take the zip code data and distribute it, just not in the original form from the National Five-Digit ZIP Code and Post Office Directory.

As for other countries than the US, it would depend on their local laws.

[0] - http://pe.usps.com/Archive/HTML/DMMArchive0810/G013.htm

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_St...

Re:Australian Geocoded national address data to be made open... by desdiv on Monday December 07, 2015 @03:18AM (#10688394)
For anyone else wondering why isn't National Five-Digit ZIP Code and Post Office Directory in public domain like every other work of the US government:

>Works by certain independent agencies, corporations and federal subsidiaries may not be considered "government works" and may, therefore, be copyrightable. For instance, material produced by the United States Postal Service are typically subject to normal copyright.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_th...

Re:Australian Geocoded national address data to be made open... by iyn on Monday December 07, 2015 @07:36AM (#10689021)
Thank you for running ZipLocate for free, I admire this.

On a similar note, do you (or anyone else) know how to get data about the parcels/property sizes in the US (e.g: I want to check if address X is over 10k square feet)? Are there any open sets from which it would be possible to compile this dataset, or the only way is to go to Maponics etc and pay (but still, where do Maponics got this data from)? I needed this for my last project - at the time I used Zillow API (http://www.zillow.com/howto/api/GetDeepSearchResults.htm) but it was rate limited and had data for only about 50% of addresses I queried.

Re:Australian Geocoded national address data to be made open... by voltagex_ on Monday December 07, 2015 @01:41AM (#10688222)
I don't think PAF (which is Australia's postal data) is included in this announcement.

No one should be using PAF to geocode, anyway.

Re:Australian Geocoded national address data to be made open... by MapMaker on Monday December 07, 2015 @06:58AM (#10688865)
GNAF includes addresses derived from the PAF. The vast majority ie over 90% are matched to jurisdictional addresses and just increase the confidence value. Where they don't match and there are more than 5 of them they are included as street level addresses. Only jurisdictional addresses have cadastral level geocodes.
Re:Australian Geocoded national address data to be made open... by voltagex_ on Monday December 07, 2015 @08:01AM (#10689138)
Thanks, learning something new every day.