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Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by logn on Sunday December 06, 2015 @02:41PM (#10686282)
"Some of the company’s prized purebred birds can now add a pound of weight for every 1.2 pounds of feed consumed"

That's great news. Also compared to cows, chickens emit much less methane and other greenhouse gases, especially if their manure is handled properly. Not to mention they're working on breeding to improve that. And given it takes only ~ 30 days to raise a chicken, that reduces overall energy consumption running the farm.

But I think WSJ understated how healthy a vegan diet is, aside from lacking B-12.

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by beagle3 on Sunday December 06, 2015 @03:53PM (#10686542)
There are a lot of myths about B-12. The most persistent one is that it comes from meat. It's actually made by bacteria. Vegetarians and vegans only lack it in modern society because of (a) antibiotic use, harming bacterial population, and (b) "clean" foods, which fails to reintroduce those bacteria, and which lack b12 themselves.

Not so surprisingly, the same is true for modern animals including farmed cows and pigs. I can't find a the source now (and apparently neither can wikipedia editors, cause they deleted it), but a very significant percentage of B12 production today (some say upwards of 80%) goes to animals. Some of it for their well-being, but most of it for the people eating them. A contender for the "least-efficient-way-to-supplement-vitamins", I think.

Also, many non-vegans and non-vegetarians suffer from B12 deficiency these days.

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by takee on Sunday December 06, 2015 @05:37PM (#10686999)
> Also, many non-vegans and non-vegetarians suffer from B12 deficiency these days.

As a meat eater with B12 deficiency I agree with this statement.

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by philfrasty on Sunday December 06, 2015 @04:43PM (#10686777)
„...understated how healthy a vegan diet is...“ One question always crosses my mind when I hear this, maybe someone knows an answer here on HN.

It seems easy to tell the negative effects of eating meat (might cause cancer, etc). But are all the effects of not eating animal products at all in the long-term well known? And I don't mean not eating animal products for 1 year or 10 years but for multiple generations.

Will people who have not eaten animal products for 1000 years still have a life expectancy similiar to the general population (I guess animal product-eaters)? Will they have more/less diseases, higher/lower IQ, etc.

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by Evgeny on Monday December 07, 2015 @10:04AM (#10689875)
It seems easy to tell the negative effects of eating meat (might cause cancer, etc).

It's absolutely not easy. For example, there is still no conclusive evidence on meat causing cancer. There is no mechanism - there are no carcinogens in meat. What was actually found was that processed meats, and also meat cooked on open fire or otherwise charred may contain carcinogens. Still nothing on meat prepared in other ways, i.e. boiled.

To provide at least somewhat credible proof, it would be required to find groups of people, who do not eat read meat at all ever, then other group - who eat read meat but not processed or cooked on open fire, and finally a group that only eats processed or cooked on open fire meat. And even if you could identify such groups of people, how could you possibly eliminate all other potential confounders?

Same with vegetarians vs meat eaters. Vegetarians on average are more health conscious: more exercise, less smoking and alcohol, more healthy habits in general. It is completely wrong and dishonest to just compare them to meat eaters and say "see, how many benefits you get from not eating meat".

But are all the effects of not eating animal products at all in the long-term well known?

Again, it is not very easy. Groups of people who avoid animal products on the grounds of i.e. religion (Buddhism) do not stand out as remarcably healthy. And groups of people who are vegetarians for health reasons have many healthy habits that confound meat avoidance as the reason for their better health. So no, it's not quite conclusive as well.

I've recently read "The Blue Zones" book[1]. The authors identified areas where the unexpectedly high percentage of centenarians live, and did some research to try and find out the possible reasons behind their longevity. The interesting thing is that people consume at least some meat in all of these zones, except for about 30% of Loma Linda's Seven Day Adventists, who are vegetarians.

So there you go: even if meat is not a hard and fast requirement for health and longevity, it certainly is not a source of sickness and shortened lifespan.

[1]http://www.amazon.com/The-Blue-Zones-Lessons-Longest/dp/1426...

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by zensavona on Sunday December 06, 2015 @04:59PM (#10686839)
The China Study[1] is a really good book that contains a lot of research about the effect on chronic disease a vegan diet has. I found it very interesting.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/The-China-Study-Comprehensive-Implicat...

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by Evgeny on Monday December 07, 2015 @09:56AM (#10689829)
The China Study[1] is a really good book that contains a lot of research about the effect on chronic disease a vegan diet has. I found it very interesting.

Did you read any of the critisism though? Here are some

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/...

http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by dghughes on Sunday December 06, 2015 @04:57PM (#10686832)
>It seems easy to tell the negative effects of eating meat (might cause cancer, etc).

We've all seen the UN report on red meat but I haven't seen anything negative about poultry or fish.

Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by copperx on Sunday December 06, 2015 @05:03PM (#10686858)
Haven't some or most Indians been vegan/vegetarian for generations? Anectdotally, I have met Indian vegans with really high IQs. Also, Indians in general seem to have short stature. I wonder how much of that is due to genes and how much can be attributed to diet.
Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by HalcyonicStorm on Sunday December 06, 2015 @07:06PM (#10687334)
My family moved to the US when I was 2 years old. My brother and I are a full 6 inches taller than our parents, even though we ate traditional (Andhra) Indian cooking and rice every meal at home until we went to college. Most of my parents' friends' children are similarly taller than their parents
Re:How to Satisfy the World’s Surging Appetite for Meat by firass on Sunday December 06, 2015 @04:37PM (#10686746)
A heritage breed chicken takes 6-weeks to go from hatching to full size.

Franken-chickens take around 30 days, but those grow faster than their organs, bones, and muscles can support the speed of the weight gained.