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Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by HarryHirsch on Saturday December 05, 2015 @07:53PM (#10683914)
Heh. Here's a story. The book is long out of print but sought after - the non-microfilm version from Rutgers University Press retails for several hundred dollars in the second-hand trade.

You call up Rutgers, and RUP tells you that they have no idea who owns the publishing rights. Copyright protection lasts far too long, and something really needs to be done about orphan works.

Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by monochromatic on Saturday December 05, 2015 @07:56PM (#10683922)
Totally agree, the length of copyright protection is absurd. Doesn't mean we should use HN to pirate stuff though.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by icebraining on Saturday December 05, 2015 @08:07PM (#10683951)
Yes, yes we should. When HN even has a feature made to bypass paywalls, it's absurd to then subscribe to a strict legalistic position which provides no benefit to anyone.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by monochromatic on Saturday December 05, 2015 @08:21PM (#10683991)
HN has a feature for bypassing paywalls? Well, it could at least be argued (I don't know how persuasively) that that isn't copyright infringement. This pretty clearly is.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by ethbro on Saturday December 05, 2015 @08:33PM (#10684021)
Isn't this more or less what the DMCA safe harbor was actually intended for?

If a website that is not primarily engaged in massive copyright violation posts a link to a questionably copywritten work, then the onus is on the rights holder to notify.

It would seem like cases where the rights holder is unknown or has lost interest in the work (aka ophaned works) should be tailor made for this. HN has safe harbor, the rights holder has the possibility of protecting their work if they choose, and the public has access to a work that would otherwise be buried in a strictly pre-legally cleared system.

Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by monochromatic on Sunday December 06, 2015 @01:31PM (#10686031)
I'm not suggesting that HN should get sued over this, so the safe harbor seems irrelevant. I'm saying that we shouldn't post things like this.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by stickfigure on Sunday December 06, 2015 @01:40AM (#10684603)
Then consider this a form of civil disobedience.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by mikeash on Saturday December 05, 2015 @09:44PM (#10684158)
For all we know, the copyright holders gave the people at sciencemadness.org permission to distribute this PDF freely.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by monochromatic on Sunday December 06, 2015 @01:32PM (#10686034)
That's a little convenient.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by mikeash on Sunday December 06, 2015 @09:48PM (#10687777)
It's true, though, right?

Where does our responsibility lie in determining whether something is legitimate or not? There are cases where it's obvious, and cases where it's not. What's the limit of due diligence for a casual reader?

Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by monochromatic on Monday December 07, 2015 @12:02AM (#10688054)
There's no reason whatsoever to think it's legitimate. Whatever the limit of due diligence might be, this isn't even close.
Re:Ignition: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellant... by mikeash on Monday December 07, 2015 @09:47AM (#10689757)
It's available and it hasn't been taken down, that's some indication it might be legitimate.

I agree that it's unlikely. But it's possible, and certainly much more ambiguous than grabbing a torrent off some ad-laden site for a TV show you can buy on iTunes.