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Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by vidarh on Saturday December 05, 2015 @05:36AM (#10681506)
> On a related note: Stop intervening in what people do with their property, and you'll have a free market.

I'm sure you'll enjoy it when your neighbour decides to open a sewage processing plant.

Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by VMG on Saturday December 05, 2015 @06:36AM (#10681601)
Zoning and contractual guarantees of environmental standards on your property are fully compatible with free trade.
Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by xg15 on Saturday December 05, 2015 @07:02AM (#10681658)
Contractual agreements with whom?
Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by VMG on Monday December 07, 2015 @05:53AM (#10688699)
With whoever you purchased your land from.
Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by sukulaku on Saturday December 05, 2015 @07:15AM (#10681679)
With whatever parties happen to be involved. No one knows, because those circumstances don't currently exist anywhere on the planet.
Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by aninhumer on Saturday December 05, 2015 @07:43AM (#10681725)
If you're talking about the environment, then everyone is involved.

And we have a name for contractual agreements with everyone in a society. We call them "laws".

Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by sukulaku on Saturday December 05, 2015 @08:19AM (#10681788)
> And we have a name for contractual agreements with everyone in a society. We call them "laws".

Except that no one asked us if we agreed. Without mutual agreement, there is no contract. In reality, laws are commands that we're punished for disobeying.

Tell me, what's the practical difference between getting punished for disobeying a King's or Emperor's law, and getting punished for disobeying a law written by politicians or bureaucrats somewhere?

Then there's the problem that governments don't actually adhere to their own laws anyway. NSA's surveillance is unconstitutional. That's not a problem for them, but if you disobey laws, you will be punished one way or another.

Who do you think you're kidding?

Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by aninhumer on Saturday December 05, 2015 @08:48AM (#10681858)
>Except that no one asked us if we agreed.

And in your world, no one asks if we agree to property rights.

Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by sukulaku on Saturday December 05, 2015 @09:17AM (#10681913)
I'm sure you can distinguish between contracts and rights, so what exactly are you on about?
Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by aninhumer on Saturday December 05, 2015 @09:19AM (#10681922)
No one asks people in your society if they agree to a system of property, you just lock them up if they try to use resources they don't "own".

And calling them "rights" instead of "laws" doesn't make following them voluntary.

Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by sukulaku on Saturday December 05, 2015 @11:27AM (#10682323)
You know laws are something written by rulers, and you know morals are not.

Punishing people for not adhering to a particular law is not necessarily morally legitimate. Smoking weed is a prime example.

You know those concepts are different, so you're intentionally conflating things, which means you're a troll/sophist.

Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by aninhumer on Saturday December 05, 2015 @03:41PM (#10683203)
Economic systems are not inherently morally good or bad, that depends on their beneficial or harmful outcomes.

It may be the case that a system of pure property would lead to the best outcomes, but if so you need to actually argue that.

Putting your preferred rules on a pedestal by calling them "rights" and refusing to engage with criticism is not an argument.

Re:TPP Threatens Security and Safety by Locking Down US Poli... by tankenmate on Saturday December 05, 2015 @08:58AM (#10681876)
The law of Torts...