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Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by mavhc on Friday December 04, 2015 @04:43AM (#10675444)
Won't the university have similar requirements?

Society is living with compromises. If you want everyone to switch to open source software make it better than the alternatives, they won't switch because of any other reason.

Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by cbhl on Friday December 04, 2015 @04:50AM (#10675458)
My university was interesting; you could get a computer degree with the Engineering department or with the Math/CS department, and their IT policies were polar opposites. Engineering was 99% Windows/MATLAB/Visual Studio/you name it. CS was 99% Linux/GCC/CUPS/etc.

If you were on the wrong platform you had a hell of a time submitting assignments. (CS students on Windows found their C programs would run fine on their laptops but would crash in the CS environment because of compiler and C std lib differences. Engineering students on Linux found that they couldn't open the .docx files to submit lab reports without destroying the mandatory formatting in the tables.)

Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by psykovsky on Friday December 04, 2015 @05:45AM (#10675591)
So, supposedly educated young persons couldn't even "Save as..." and choose a free format when saving the documents? That's not a software problem...
Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by detaro on Friday December 04, 2015 @06:04AM (#10675640)
And having a copy in a free format helps with submitting a correctly formatted .docx how?
Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by psykovsky on Friday December 04, 2015 @07:08PM (#10680107)
They[0] should be saving the documents in a free format, despite the closed source software. Office supports .odf files or some other free format, does it not?

[0] By "they" I mean the persons who created the documents, not the ones who try to edit them using Gnu/Linux...

Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by the_ancient on Friday December 04, 2015 @05:18AM (#10675525)
It is already is better..... Proprietary tools sustain because of better marketing, and legacy costs (retaining staff to do things in a different way)

Often when people talk about open source "not being as good" what they really mean is "not being the exact same" if a button is in a different spot or something is named differently that is perceived as being "worse" because for the most part people hate change.

Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by mavhc on Friday December 04, 2015 @05:52AM (#10675608)
Well, Google Classroom and GAFE is new, so no legacy costs. So what's the equivalent open source solution that's as good and easy to set up?

GAFE requires a dns change, and optionally syncing your directory with them, and has a modern interface for the admin user. So to be easier I'd probably want a debian package, or a virtual machine image.

If someone would package a virtual machine image that interfaced with common directories, provided web office tools, and a version of Classroom (which doesn't have many features), for free, it would probably have some traction, not needing to rely on the internet connection at school to be stable.

Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by danieldk on Friday December 04, 2015 @06:08AM (#10675662)
GAFE requires a dns change, and optionally syncing your directory with them, and has a modern interface for the admin user. So to be easier I'd probably want a debian package, or a virtual machine image.

I think it wouldn't be hard to provide a virtual machine image that provides similar functionality to Google Apps (at least e-mail, storage, calendaring, and address books). Educational institutes switch to GAFE because it cuts away a lot of sysadmin salaries. You do not have to worry about getting your SMTP server whitelisted when a student/employee falls for phishing, ensure redundancy, scale up the architecture as users have more data, replace malfunctioning servers, etc.

Of course, Google's competition to an open source solution is not really fair. First of all, Google can benefit the economy of scale. Secondly, Google is large enough to assume the cost in trade for future income (get them hooked or locked in). Thirdly, Google can to use the data indefinitely to some extend for their own use (e.g. training models).

An open source solution can only win over GAFE (or perhaps Office 365) when a principled choice is made to protect the privacy of students and employees.

tl;dr: it is hard to compete with free.

Re:Response to EFF complaint about student data privacy by DadFoundMy on Friday December 04, 2015 @05:29AM (#10675547)
That's a good point, but an issue I will have to face when that time comes. Being accepted into school isn't a solution to my problem with the public education system, but a temporary out.