Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by darawk on Thursday December 03, 2015 @07:41PM
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> I feel very strongly that people should decide what they think is right and fight for it.
> I feel no need to convince other people that my morality is superior to theirs.
Those two statements are in direct contradiction. Fighting for your morality is convincing others of its superiority. Those two things are the same thing.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by DennisP on Thursday December 03, 2015 @08:25PM
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They're not entirely the same thing. For example, if you think people have a right to privacy, one way to fight for it is to write cryptographic software, so everybody who already agrees with you can protect themselves. That doesn't require you to convince anyone who disagrees.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by kaybe on Thursday December 03, 2015 @08:44PM
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If you fight to win (in at least as much as keeping your freedom to encrypt), you will have to convince your government at some point. The topic won't go away and if they care strongly enough you might find yourself in your own private full-on intelligence war, and maybe in prison. At some point tech cannot help you (rubber-hose cryptography).
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by erikpukinskis on Friday December 04, 2015 @04:12PM
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Law is not the only moral battlefield.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by kaybe on Friday December 04, 2015 @07:47PM
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Could you elaborate? I think I do not understand your point.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by darawk on Friday December 04, 2015 @03:29AM
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That isn't fighting for your morality, though. That's just making crypto software.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by shkkmo on Thursday December 03, 2015 @07:54PM
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> Fighting for your morality is convincing others of its superiority.
Unless your morality includes letting others come to their own conclusions about what is right. In that case, trying to convince others that they should let others pick their own morals would be self-contradictory.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by darawk on Friday December 04, 2015 @03:28AM
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In what sense are you fighting for your morality, then? It isn't contradictory to hold that view, but if you hold that view, then inherently you would not fight for it.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by jpmec on Thursday December 03, 2015 @07:06PM
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> I feel very strongly that people should decide what they think is right and fight for it.
I believe ISIS would agree with you whole-heartedly
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work
by shkkmo on Thursday December 03, 2015 @07:32PM
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> I believe ISIS would agree with you whole-heartedly
I suspect ISIS would not agree with that statement, but with one that is slightly different:
"I feel very strongly that people should decide that what I think is right and fight for it."
Why? I can't just live morally and let my "opponent" do what they think is right?
I feel very strongly that people should decide what they think is right and fight for it.
I feel no need to convince other people that my morality is superior to theirs.