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Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by Zigurd on Thursday December 03, 2015 @06:11PM (#10673430)
Are you implying that "law enforcement officials" have moral standing, especially in the US? Torture, racism, fraud, corruption, brutality, are what springs to mind, along with a total lack of will to reform. To hell with that.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by shkkmo on Thursday December 03, 2015 @08:11PM (#10673981)
I would say that it is precisely the moral standing of LEOs that makes the torture, racism, fraud, corruption and brutality so much more egregious of an offense than when committed by any other armed gang.
Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by dvanduzer on Thursday December 03, 2015 @06:37PM (#10673566)
> Morality is, unfortunately, subjective.

So no, that implication really isn't there.

The lack of will to reform is not total amongst LEOs. The lack of political will to do many seemingly sensible things in this country is a moral failure that every citizen shares.

Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by bigiain on Thursday December 03, 2015 @08:44PM (#10674078)
Would you agree that well over 99% of LEOs either actively or passively ignore abuses by their colleagues? As evidenced by things like this: http://henrycountyreport.com/blog/2015/12/01/leaked-document...

I suspect that you're right that it is a minority of LEOs that actually abuse their power (possibly a 49% minority, but possibly even as low as 10% or even 1%), but it's clear that there are many more - an overwhelming majority, who actively defend or passively ignore those who do. (I'm sure I only ever see the bad ones, but just about every statement by the Fraternal Order of Police makes me seethe with rage...)

Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by andreyf on Thursday December 03, 2015 @06:41PM (#10673584)
Torture, racism, fraud, corruption: yes.

Total lack of will to reform: no.

Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by bigiain on Thursday December 03, 2015 @08:37PM (#10674062)
OK, take "Total" out and see if you're still happy with that answer:

http://henrycountyreport.com/blog/2015/12/01/leaked-document...

It seems to me there's a tremendous lack of will to reform abuses and criminal acts by LEO. Perhaps not "Total", but so marginally less than "Total" as to be functionally equivalent (in that "not all men" kind of failure to acknowledge reality...).

Re:The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by andreyf on Friday December 04, 2015 @07:33PM (#10680192)
There's a very strong political will to "reform" torture by the CIA (i.e. stop it), just as there was when the police did it [1]. Racism, fraud, corruption have existed and will continue to exist, and will continue to be fought viciously for many lifetimes to come, both in the US and throughout the world.

Police misconduct is real here and all over the world, as well, and will also continue to be fought. There are no quick fixes, and it's important to be outraged and voice one's outrage when we see it, but let's not give up and paint all LO with one brush, as their existence most certainly contributes a net positive to society.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding#By_U.S._police_b...