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Re:A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted by tptacek on Monday November 30, 2015 @10:01PM (#10653429)
What did Snowden change about any of this? The programs Snowden revealed were so well-known --- many of them having been reported in the press prior to Snowden's leaks --- that you can find them alluded to in the first edition of Applied Cryptography, back in the 1990s.

Were you surprised by the Snowden leaks? Even after AT&T and Room 641a?

Re:A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted by ttctciyf on Tuesday December 01, 2015 @03:00AM (#10654110)
I think the change was that after the leaks the existence of the programs was incontrovertible - while many with an interest in the topic would have asserted their existence, they could not be discussed in a meaningful way in large-circulation media because dismissing assertions of their existence as 'amusing and dramatic" or "conspiracy theorizing" was always going to be the safer editorial position. After Snowden, that isn't really possible without looking a little foolish.
Re:A Decade-Old Gag Order, Lifted by kordless on Monday November 30, 2015 @11:18PM (#10653608)
For a variety of interesting reasons I wasn't surprised, but there were moments where I could see how other people could be surprised by it. I spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff, so I saw it coming. The average Joe, well, maybe they didn't.