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Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by pdonis on Saturday November 28, 2015 @12:55PM (#10641776)
> Is fission even (economically) competitive?

Remember that he's talking about a new generation of reactor designs. Also remember that a key driver of the high cost of nuclear energy is lawsuits based on irrational overestimates of the risk of nuclear energy compared to other energy sources. Coal has killed orders of magnitude more people than nuclear, yet nobody ever brings a NIMBY lawsuit to prevent a coal plant from being built.

> Wouldn't a profit oriented insurance company cover these risks, of these were really as low and controllable as people say here?

The technical risks are not the risks the insurance companies are worried about.

Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by merpnderp on Saturday November 28, 2015 @01:41PM (#10641913)
This times one hundred. Nuclear in the West is far more expensive than places like China and Vietnam not because western plants are better or safer but because they face incredible legal and regulatory hurdles designed to appease people's irrational fears.
Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by olau on Saturday November 28, 2015 @03:15PM (#10642251)
I call bullshit on that. Nuclear safety is not to be taken lightly. The reason we haven't had more disasters than we've currently had is precisely because people working in the field take this stuff deeply seriously. And they need to.

What's killing nuclear isn't environmentalists, it's that this stuff is hard, really hard, and it's getting harder over time as more failure scenarios are known.

Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by hguant on Saturday November 28, 2015 @04:25PM (#10642508)
We haven't really had any disasters, compared to the damage coal and oil do to our environment, and also compared to the semi-regular industrial accidents that happen in the coal/oil industry.

Three Mile Island - how many fatalities? Fukushima - who died? Chernobyl - there should be a Godwin's law about this.

Meanwhile, life expectancy is down, coal fired plants are quite literally poisoning our atmosphere, and oil explosions and accidents kill more people in a decade than nuclear power has over its existence (nuclear power, not nuclear weaponry. Though that's an interesting question - how many people were killed in fire bombings or by fuel-air weapons vs by nukes?)

Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by pdonis on Saturday November 28, 2015 @08:31PM (#10643359)
> Nuclear safety is not to be taken lightly.

Safety in general is not to be taken lightly. But we should assess the relative safety of different technologies fairly. We don't do that with nuclear; we hold it to standards far higher than the ones we enforce for other technologies, even though those other technologies have killed orders of magnitude more people. That is not rational.

> this stuff is hard, really hard, and it's getting harder over time as more failure scenarios are known.

This could be said of any technology. But again, we hold nuclear to far higher standards than we do other technologies that have failure scenarios which have already killed orders of magnitude more people.

Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by chefkoch on Saturday November 28, 2015 @03:13PM (#10642247)
Shure, China is atm mostly using a more than 30 year old design bought from france and everyone knows safety is not their primary concern.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China#Reactor...

Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by merpnderp on Saturday November 28, 2015 @03:58PM (#10642398)
Yes, that French design that has such a horrible safety record in France. Oh wait, it has an excellent record and France is still exporting power from those designs. And I don't think everyone knows that safety is not their primary concern. What other country shoots CEO's in the head when they put citizens at risk with poisoned products or environmental disasters?
Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by chefkoch on Saturday November 28, 2015 @05:52PM (#10642875)
Wie already know the flaws of this design, that's why there are newer safer designs like the epr are build or planned in the west. You can drive around in a 30 year old car without problem, but most people would prefer the safety standards oft today. And chinas track record in other parts of the energy business show that shooting that one CEO isn't that big of a help. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal_mining_accident...
Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by merpnderp on Sunday November 29, 2015 @11:02AM (#10644915)
The problem is probably the newer designs don't have as many successful rollouts. And when spending 10 years and billions, predictability is important. But after Googling around, I do see France has some non-trivial issues with Chinese safety issues.
Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by chefkoch on Saturday November 28, 2015 @03:05PM (#10642206)
> Also remember that a key driver of the high cost of nuclear energy is lawsuits based on irrational overestimates of the risk of nuclear energy compared to other energy sources.

Do you have a source for this as the new EPR reactor in finland is aboud three times as expensive as planned?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olkiluoto_Nuclear_Power_Plant#...

Re:The New Atomic Age We Need by pdonis on Saturday November 28, 2015 @08:37PM (#10643373)
> the new EPR reactor in finland

I was actually talking about nuclear energy in US; I'm not familiar with the legal regimes in other countries to know how much of an impact lawsuits have been. France, at least, has been getting the majority of their electricity from nuclear reactors for several decades now, so clearly it is possible to have a saner legal environment.

> is aboud three times as expensive as planned

How experienced is this construction company at building nuclear reactors?