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Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by ta0o0o0 on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @01:15PM (#10628587)
Yes, of course Eich's critics had the right to criticize him. The point is that calling for his resignation was grossly disproportionate.
Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @01:46PM (#10628769)
The point is that calling for his resignation was grossly disproportionate.

Depends where you draw the line. Many people feel that when Eich chose to support groups that were running bigoted TV ads (beyond simply expressing an opinion as to a ballot issue) he effectively crossed that line.

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by ta0o0o0 on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @02:39PM (#10629115)
And others feel that a person who can make this statement:

https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/

  ...I know some will be skeptical about this, and that words 
  alone will not change anything.  I can only ask for your support 
  to have the time to "show, not tell"; and in the meantime 
  express my sorrow at having caused pain. ...
and who has never even been accused of discrimination, harassment, or abuse of any kind in his professional capacity (or otherwise AFAIK) should be given the chance to prove himself.

I'm pretty sure they didn't send the ads out for the approval of every campaign contributor before they aired them.

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @03:00PM (#10629264)
Eich's statement in that posting is indeed a valid, mitigating factor in his favor.

He could have done more, by addressing the issue of the TV ads directly. By not doing so, people had reason to believe he was sidestepping that key issue (and that he may not really understand why people were offended by those ads).

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by ta0o0o0 on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @04:57PM (#10630020)
What can I say, that is just not the world I want to live in. A world in which your defeated [1] political opponents must repent, wear sackcloth, and cast ashes in their hair or else be professionally destroyed.

[1] Proposition 8 had been struck down by the time of Eich's appointment to CEO

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @06:59PM (#10630569)
It's now about repenting and wearing sackcloth. And it isn't even about Eich.

People had just gotten very, very, VERY tired of the pseudo-tolerant stance he was endorsing [1], and didn't want to feel that they were lending credibility to it, by having him at the head of an organization they were a part of. The message they were trying to send was simply, "we're really tired of this shit, and we want it to stop."

[1] "Love the sinner, hate the sin". Those aren't his words, but that's the gist of the religious-based opposition to gay marriage. You have to understand that at some point, people just get sick of hearing it -- or being a party to it.

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by ta0o0o0 on Wednesday November 25, 2015 @10:10PM (#10631050)
It was the activists who dragged Eich's donation from years ago into the spotlight, made it an issue, and demanded that he apologize. The "pseudo-tolerant stance" people are/were "sick of hearing" or "being a party to" would never have seen the light of day if the activists just left Eich's personal political beliefs alone. This is precisely a demand for repentance.

Eich's stance was "pseudo-tolerant" because the activists were demanding that he renounce his religious beliefs. At least he had the stones not to say something he didn't believe just to keep his job. So instead he was cast out. Should a Catholic CEO be subjected to the same treatment if they personally oppose abortion? A Republican one for opposing Affirmative Action?

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Friday November 27, 2015 @07:27PM (#10639495)
...the activists were demanding that [Eich] renounce his religious beliefs.

They did no such thing. Why do you think it is helpful to base your arguments on overtly counterfactual assertions, such as these?

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by ta0o0o0 on Friday November 27, 2015 @10:17PM (#10639869)
It's right there in your comment. You said "Love the sinner, hate the sin" was not considered an acceptable viewpoint for him to hold.

But even removing that point from my comment the rest stands. You wrote that people were "sick of hearing" about his views on gay marriage. Well all they had to do to stop hearing about it was to stop asking him about it.

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Saturday November 28, 2015 @03:56PM (#10642393)
You said "Love the sinner, hate the sin" was not considered an acceptable viewpoint for him to hold.

No, that's not what I said. Or even close to what I said.

I'd continue with you further on this, but it seems there's been a lot of gratuitous word-bending and insinuation in what you've been saying of late. That's not my style of communicating, and I don't see what I can learn from it -- but if you want to continue to feel the way you feel about the issue, that's fine with me.

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by ta0o0o0 on Saturday November 28, 2015 @05:10PM (#10642666)
Yes, that is what you wrote.

  People had just gotten very, very, VERY tired of the 
  pseudo-tolerant stance he was endorsing [1], and didn't 
  want to feel that they were lending credibility to it, 
  by having him at the head of an organization they were a 
  part of.

  [1] "Love the sinner, hate the sin".
Can you please explain how this could possibly mean anything other than "The CEO of Mozilla must not hold the viewpoint 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' because then it is implied that the members of the Mozilla community endorse that view". Because the logical consequence of that position is that Eich must either 1) renounce his view or 2) be removed.
Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Saturday November 28, 2015 @05:42PM (#10642821)
Nobody protested Eich for privately "holding" a particular point of view. Their concern was around his donating money (and implicitly, legitimacy) to groups they felt were engaged in various harmful activities (running TV ads with derogatory rhetoric, for example).

The two phenomena are very different. You understand this - yes?

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by ta0o0o0 on Saturday November 28, 2015 @07:55PM (#10643259)
Fine, but that's not what you wrote above.

And so then we're back to demanding that a defeated political opponent repent. "Here is our political issue, you advocated against it, you lost, so now you must beg our forgiveness or lose your job which is completely unrelated to the issue."

Like I said, that's not the world I want to live in. If others like it they are welcome to it, but then they shouldn't start complaining if abortion-rights advocates are fired from their jobs in the American South.

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Sunday November 29, 2015 @07:02PM (#10646766)
Fine, but that's not what you wrote above.

True, it wasn't the exact quote you cherry-picked. But it was the main point of what I was saying, if you look at my remarks collectively.

Re:The Yale Problem Begins in High School by kafkaesq on Saturday November 28, 2015 @03:47PM (#10642365)
Post-hoc edit: "now" should have been "not" in the first sentence.