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Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by Turing_Machine on Friday November 20, 2015 @09:30PM (#10605259)
I'm not "moralizing" about anything. Effective birth control is readily available. I have no interest whatsoever in policing other people's sex lives.

I'm just saying that if you work at McDonald's, you probably can't afford to have a child.

Yes, there will be accidents, people who fall on hard times, etc., and I actually have no problem with social programs aimed at helping those people out.

But that's not what the OP wants. He wants McDonald's to bear the burden of providing paternity leave for those people.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by ddingus on Saturday November 21, 2015 @02:32AM (#10606071)
Shouldn't they?

After all, they make a nice profit from those people.

Maybe it's better to value people well enough for them to be people, and part of that is forming a family.

Or, maybe McDees isn't on the hook. Fair enough. Then let's make sure those programs actually work and that people can make use of them without all the angst surrounding the use of said programs.

One or the other. I don't care much. But I do care a great deal about the idea of some people being denied the standing and basic dignity of being ordinary people when they are working and adding value to the society they live in.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by xorcist on Saturday November 21, 2015 @06:36AM (#10606517)
Birth control is far from perfect. Also, people lie. Things happen.

Children should suffer as little as possible for their parents' mistakes.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by toomuchtodo on Saturday November 21, 2015 @03:42PM (#10607951)
> Children should suffer as little as possible for their parents' mistakes.

I don't always see such intelligence and compassion on HN. Thanks for your comment.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by mikesickler on Saturday November 21, 2015 @12:09AM (#10605730)
But it's okay for Facebook to bear the burden? What exactly are you objecting to here?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by stickfigure on Saturday November 21, 2015 @12:29AM (#10605781)
Facebook bears the burden for the exact same reason that it provides free food, bikes around the campus, pretty lawns, a barbershop, etc... because it wants to retain fickle employees. It's not a moral statement.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by hardoncollider on Friday November 20, 2015 @11:17PM (#10605570)
"If a worker today is employed full time for a full 52-week year at a minimum wage job today, she or he is making $15,080. [...] The average age for these [76 million] workers is 36 years old and they have been in the labor force for an average of 17 years. Only 6 percent of the workers who would benefit from this minimum wage increase are teenagers; i.e., 94 percent are adults."

318M people in the US, 188M above the age of 30. Around 38% of adults (30+) are working for minimum wage and any prospect of having a family would put them below the federal poverty line.

Do we really believe in an environment where 38% of adults shouldn't be afforded the ability to spend time with their child, something every other major-industrialized nation guarantees as a human right?

McDonalds should bear the burden -- I think the $5B in profits last year should allow for a little human decency.

http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/index.cfm/201...

Re:Mark Zuckerberg Will Take Two Months Off from Facebook fo... by ddingus on Saturday November 21, 2015 @02:33AM (#10606072)
You should not have been voted down for this.

How we value people has a very serious impact on our economics. We wonder about tepid demand? This is one cause of that tepid demand. When people are valued low enough for them to require help to exist and do basic things, they really can't participate in the same economy that desires strong growth year over year.