Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by dragontamer on Friday November 20, 2015 @03:40PM (#10603718)

Not really. The US shot a missile at Iranian Airliner (killing all civilians on board) and coup'd Iran's Democracy in the 1960s.

Iran held US personnel as hostages for a year and imprisons our visitors. They are also sworn enemies to US Allies like Israel.

Iran is "bad" because they are our enemy. And they see the US as "bad" because we've been their enemy in the past.

There is absolutely nothing strange about the hate-filled relationship between Iran and the US. It is simple politics and history.

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by pstuart on Friday November 20, 2015 @03:44PM (#10603741)

> It is simple politics and history

American was at war with Japan and Germany not to long before as well. Now we are best buddies. Things can change if the money's right.

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by ptaipale on Friday November 20, 2015 @03:54PM (#10603809)

There was a fairly complete turnaround in the politics of both Germany and Japan after they lost the Second World War, in case you didn't notice. The "money's right" came as a consequence of that.

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by jacquesm on Friday November 20, 2015 @04:19PM (#10603948)

Nothing rules out Iran having such a complete turnaround. Plenty of people there remember the days of the Shah, they also remember the days of the SAVAK.

Neither of those solutions was 'all good' so at some point the people will say 'enough'. It can take a while.

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by ptaipale on Friday November 20, 2015 @07:23PM (#10604809)

> Nothing rules out Iran having such a complete turnaround.

The purpose of the Guardian Council [0] is precisely to prevent such a turnaround.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Council

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by jacquesm on Friday November 20, 2015 @08:21PM (#10605016)

That sort of thing will be their downfall, it won't prevent much of anything other than maybe temporary.

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by hackuser on Friday November 20, 2015 @04:06PM (#10603884)

Iran was a U.S. ally under the Shahs, whose reign lasted from the coup we supported or engineered (against their mostly democratic government) in 1953 until the revolution in 1979. Many/most 9/11 perpetrators, including Osama Bin Laden, came from Saudi Arabia; there is plenty of reason for the U.S. to hate them.

All countries (or other groups) can find reasons to hate or love each other. Look at France and Germany, close allies now but plenty of opportunity for hate. All it takes is an effective political leader to manipulate the public in whatever way suits them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by mratzloff on Friday November 20, 2015 @05:07PM (#10604184)

Iran was a U.S. ally under the Shahs, whose reign lasted from the coup we supported or engineered (against their mostly democratic governemnt) in 1953 until the revolution in 1979.

The beginning of Mohammad Reza's reign was in 1941 and had nothing to do with the US. The coup (by both the US and UK) was about reversing the nationalization of Iran's oil industry, not about installing Mohammad Reza as king. Britain and the Soviet Union did that in WWII.

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by hackuser on Friday November 20, 2015 @08:23PM (#10605026)

Whatever the mechanics the US and UK effectively removed Prime Minister Mosaddegh from power and gave it to, and supported the Shah (Reza). Is that not correct?

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Re:Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It by abalashov on Saturday November 21, 2015 @02:25AM (#10606056)

Yes, it is correct. Although, as with any CIA destabilisation and coup operation, a certain layer of plausible deniability was a key strategic consideration.

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