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Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by hackuser on Thursday November 19, 2015 @11:36PM (#10599578)
> so weak that words hurt you

Abstractly, I see the idea that words are intangible and can't possibly hurt you. But we are social animals and it doesn't work that way in reality. Words can get you loved or hated, married or fired, can put you in jail or set you free, start wars and end them, destroy someone's ego and life or elevate it. Words are the most hurtful things there are. The pen is far mightier than the sword.

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by akiselev on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:13AM (#10599726)
》 Words are the most hurtful things there are

Spoken like a true first world child who has never experienced the sectarian violence, highly infectious diseases like TB/malaria/hiv, starvation, lack of clean drinking water, and the psychological effects of practically insurmountable poverty. These arent theoretical possibilities but facts of life experienced by billions of humans, the vast majority of whom have practically zero chance of escaping the cycle unless they happened to be born to well educated or wealthy parents.

I apologize for how offensive my comment is to you and your PC Principal, but christ, how can you think a perceived verbal assault on American college students (who are supported to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars a year by their parents and/or Freddi Mac) can even possibly compare to the life and death situations experienced by billions of people in the world on a daily basis?

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by unprepare on Friday November 20, 2015 @09:45AM (#10601359)
This is called the fallacy of relative privation.

You can't dismiss the lived experiences of people simply because someone has it worse.

It doesnt matter if theres a genocide going on in every single country in the world - its still going to hurt when you get dumped, cheated on, fired, break your leg, get in a car accident, suffer a loss in the family, etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by akiselev on Friday November 20, 2015 @02:47PM (#10603388)
I wasn't dismissing anyone's pain or suffering outright, I was simply responding to an absolute assertion of fact ("Words are the most hurtful things there are", emphasis mine). The GP's post said unequivocally that offensive speech is worse than everything else and I found that to be a very selfish and ignorant statement, entirely disconnected from a reality where hundreds of millions of people don't so much as have access to clean drinking water (literally an order of magnitude more than there are college students in the United States [1][2]). I'm not saying that one group's suffering is irrelevant just because another's is more dire and life threatening, I'm just trying to put things into perspective in the face of a ludicrous statement.

[1] http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372

[2] http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2012/drinking_w...

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by Retra on Thursday November 19, 2015 @11:53PM (#10599629)
Words are immensely powerful, but they are not that hurtful unless you're a child who expects everyone to love them.

The pen is mightier than the sword because a pen will move armies with swords. Not because someone might get their feelings hurt.

Addendum: Speech is probably more thoroughly weaponized by calling for censorship that it is by calling someone by offensive phrases.

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by quanticle on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:16AM (#10599738)
>The pen is mightier than the sword because a pen will move armies with swords.

And that is exactly what the right words will do. If it's seen as socially acceptable to insult someone, then it's not far from that to having it be socially acceptable to commit physical violence against them. Historically, that's the way it's always worked. I've never once seen or read about an instance of a marginalized group where the insults stopped at racial or ethnic slurs.

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by Retra on Friday November 20, 2015 @01:34AM (#10599952)
You really have to measure these things against the numbers involved though. One person using racial slurs is just one person being a fool. One person with thousands of followers might be a problem.
Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by seibelj on Thursday November 19, 2015 @11:59PM (#10599657)
This is anecdotal (is it really that anecdotal?), but I have been called so many names throughout my life, and my response is almost always "go fuck yourself", whether said out loud (in so many words) or internally. I honestly don't care, and the bullies don't stop me.

Adults don't need institutions to protect them from name calling and hurtful words. Children do.

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by rtpg on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:10AM (#10599708)
>Adults don't need institutions to protect them from name calling and hurtful words. Children do.

Meh, divorces happen over words, massive conflicts happen because of it, etc. "Just words" is not a great counterargument for anything.

Saying we don't need safe spaces is basically exactly the same as saying reddit doesn't need moderation. Or a community doesn't need a code of conduct. Sure, you don't need it, but the words used end up forming the cultural base of the group, and I really don't need to go to University 4chan.

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by thedz on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:04AM (#10599677)
> Adults don't need institutions to protect them from name calling and hurtful words. Children do.

That's a remarkably naive way of looking at the history of hate speech and hateful rhetoric both in the United States and globally.

(I'm not saying what happened at Yale approaches hate speech, but the idea that "words can't hurt you, and if they do you're just a child" is, well, pretty child-like in its understanding of social forces.)

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by vacri on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:23AM (#10599760)
> Adults don't need institutions to protect them from name calling and hurtful words. Children do.

Conversely, adults don't need assistance to empathise with other people. Children do.

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by tomp on Friday November 20, 2015 @11:04AM (#10601861)
> Words are the most hurtful things there are

Actually, in contrast to what you're saying, words hardly matter at all. What's important is intention of the communication, not necessarily it's form. You can be the nicest-spoken lady/gentelman and have a vicious effect on the well-being of people or whole communities, by being hypocritical, judgemental or manipulative.

For a concrete example, black people are usually OK with being called "niggers", as long as it's by other black people; I assume that's because they assume different intentions than when a white person says that word (which is quite racist, ironically).

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by nickff on Friday November 20, 2015 @12:04AM (#10599675)
I can't think of anything that anyone could say to me that would make me wish they had taken off my arm instead.
Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by unprepare on Friday November 20, 2015 @11:50AM (#10602181)
"your entire family was in a car accident, they can be saved if you let us remove your arms and legs for transplant."

I'd rather lose my arm than here that :)

Re:An obsession with safe spaces is not just bad for education by SFLemonade on Thursday November 19, 2015 @11:47PM (#10599613)
"Words are the most hurtful things there are."

I understand what you're getting at, but that is hilariously untrue and a perfect representation of the delusion that the social justice movement operates under.