Stop-And-Seize Turns Police into Self-Funding Gangs

Re:Stop-And-Seize Turns Police into Self-Funding Gangs by hfourm on Friday November 13, 2015 @11:50AM (#10560790)

I think another big negative here is just the fact that it shifts police org's focus towards crimes where they can "fund" themselves.

I repeat this statistic a lot, but the solved murder rate has fallen from ~90% in the 60s to ~60% in recent years. You'd think with all our new forensic technology and lower overall murder rates it would be opposite.

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Re:Stop-And-Seize Turns Police into Self-Funding Gangs by kevin_thibedeau on Friday November 13, 2015 @11:57AM (#10560837)

That 90% figure isn't reliable given the tendency to force confessions out of "known troublemakers" that was far more rampant in the 60s.

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Re:Stop-And-Seize Turns Police into Self-Funding Gangs by hfourm on Monday November 16, 2015 @03:27PM (#10576915)

Maybe, but I still doubt that equates to a 30% drop.

I am more a fan of the whole, increase in division between community and its police leading to lack of informants among other things, idea.

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Re:Stop-And-Seize Turns Police into Self-Funding Gangs by kbenson on Friday November 13, 2015 @11:59AM (#10560858)

There's lots of ways to read the numbers. Total murders is about the same as the high in the 60s, ~14k, but instead of 200 million people, we have well over 300 million[1]. That's over a 33% drop in per-capita murders.

1: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

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