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Re:Universal DNSSEC: Secure DNS for Every Domain by tptacek on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @03:54PM (#10542410)
If they control the keys for .COM, they absolutely can do that.

Name an important domain, and let's see what world government controls its DNSSEC keys.

Re:Universal DNSSEC: Secure DNS for Every Domain by xorcist on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:28PM (#10542646)
It is a bit tiresome to write in this thread, with constant insinuations like "those who control .com control every domain" and "key pinning hasn't been dependent on trust-on-first-use for ages", but which are never spelled out. I'm not sure there are any further insights to gain.

If you'd like, I will name an important domain with a trivial use case: skatteverket.se. It it the agency responsible not only of taxes but of nearly all personal data: marriages, deaths, everything. They have stringent security requirements for this, and to their users their security is infinitely more important than that of, say Facebook for example.

In what way would their adoption of DNSSEC cede control of anything to the NSA, or to anyone?

Re:Universal DNSSEC: Secure DNS for Every Domain by tptacek on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:33PM (#10542680)
In a thread about user privacy and government control, I asked you for an example of a domain whose TLD might have some influence over how secure it would be post-DNSSEC. You provided the domain of a government agency.

I think we can be done now, don't you?

Re:Universal DNSSEC: Secure DNS for Every Domain by xorcist on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @05:56PM (#10543255)
This thread is about the usefulness of DNSSEC. If you have another agenda than please be explicit about it so that we can have a fruitful conversation.

You asked for a domain, any domain, and was prepared to show how Verisign could exercise their control over .com and somehow affect the validation path that DANE provides. At least that's what how I understood you. It's not always clear.

You seem to argue that susceptibility to state level actors is a counterargument to the standard, so I gave one of the few examples I know of who really need to protect against such adversaries.

Apparently my example was somehow a bad one. Take one of the big banks instead then? What could happen to swedbank.se if they signed their delegation with their TLD?

Or why don't you provide an example instead, and show in what way signing it would cede control to the NSA, or to anyone else?

Re:Universal DNSSEC: Secure DNS for Every Domain by tptacek on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @06:21PM (#10543404)
Examples:

* Every .COM

* Every .CO.UK

* Every .COM.AU

* Every .IO

* Every .ORG

Your response:

* The Swedish tax authority's site.

Re:Universal DNSSEC: Secure DNS for Every Domain by xorcist on Wednesday November 11, 2015 @02:01AM (#10545204)
Of course Verisign controls .com. That was never in question.

Again, there are millions of use cases where .com doesn't matter.

You alluded to some control that some large entity (which I only assume to be Verisign) exercise over every important domain. I take it that was never the case?