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Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by ymse on Saturday November 07, 2015 @09:10PM (#10527098)
Cloudflare should have an emergency hotline for situations like this. Charge half the ransom to handle the traffic for the duration of the attack. Offer contract afterwards.
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by rdl on Sunday November 08, 2015 @01:31AM (#10527769)
We (CloudFlare) do. We have done onboardings in real time with people under attacks. We do full length contracts because that works better for customers, though.

We don't proxy smtp. There are solutions to deal with that in a hybrid way, though.

Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by billmalarky on Saturday November 07, 2015 @10:03PM (#10527246)
No, profiting in any way off blackmailers looks really bad...

Reminds me of when Uber had that surge pricing scandal during the Sydney hostage crisis.

Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by SolarNet on Saturday November 07, 2015 @10:39PM (#10527351)
I think the OP meant it as a discount. (E.g. if cloudflare blocking the attack would cost 10k (for 5 sites) for a month, offer a discount at half the ransom (3k) for however long the attack lasts days).
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by billmalarky on Monday November 09, 2015 @01:24PM (#10534758)
Still too risky from a PR standpoint. It's the kind of corporate activity that means well (truly) but can be interpreted negatively too easily.

Unfortunately the only safe play is to give away the service for free (for duration of the attack). Which could be a solid marketing strategy, cloudflare's price point is reasonable enough that many would stick with their service even after the attack was over.

Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by dangrossman on Saturday November 07, 2015 @09:21PM (#10527123)
Cloudflare's $200/month business plan includes DDoS mitigation. It's self-serve and there's an "I'm Under Attack!" button in every account. There's no extra cost for the bandwidth.
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by ymse on Saturday November 07, 2015 @10:27PM (#10527319)
So $6000 would get them over two years of self-service DDoS mitigation. Ouch.
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by Kimm0n0 on Saturday November 07, 2015 @10:53PM (#10527391)
If you are in the privacy business, a man-in-the-middle like CloudFlare, is not the thing you try first.
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by vemv on Sunday November 08, 2015 @02:24AM (#10527848)
Really? Do men-in-the-middle matter if your communications are encrypted (be it HTTPS, PGP)?
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by dangrossman on Sunday November 08, 2015 @02:54AM (#10527893)
In this case yes, because users don't get an encrypted channel with the site's servers, only with Cloudflare. Cloudflare isn't acting as a dumb TCP proxy which would allow that. When it hosts an HTTPS website, it does so by terminating the HTTPS connections itself. Cloudflare has the private key, and can see the content of every request/response. That's necessary to compress images, inject scripts, minify code and do all the other optimization/CDN stuff they do -- but it also means making them an MITM between a site and its users.
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by vabmit on Sunday November 08, 2015 @09:02PM (#10531008)
CloudFlare was the first company ProtonMail called (with in 5 minutes of the DDoS starting). Unfortunately, they couldn't help ProtonMail. But, thanks to @rdl for responding to a txt on his cell phone at an inopportune time and mobilizing CloudFlare's sales and engineering teams to talk with Proton (during the company's retreat no less)!

For all the people getting nasty and arm chair quarter backing this on little to no information or trying to claim credit for things they did not do- understand that once you start working in venture funded startups pretty much everyone knows each other and many people have worked together before.

Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by Cameron_D on Saturday November 07, 2015 @11:17PM (#10527455)
Cloudflare don't proxy mail though, which is ProtonMail's main business, so that wouldn't have done much for keeping their services up.

Additionally, I don't see ProtonMail as the kind of company that'll let other third parties terminate their SSL connections/proxy all their traffic.

Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by cbg0 on Sunday November 08, 2015 @02:24AM (#10527846)
They have BGP origin protection, where they announce your IP space for enterprise plan, probably expensive though.
Re:ProtonMail pays $6k ransom, gets taken out by DDoS anyway by rasz_pl on Sunday November 08, 2015 @03:31AM (#10527961)
Wasnt Cloudflare founded by ex fed or something? Hosting isis chat rooms that somehow are not being taken down by US fed is also slightly suspicious.