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Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by jsprogrammer on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @04:41PM (#10509986)
>One way to do that is to force you to defend yourself in court against a lie accusation

This is pretty easy to defend as the burden of proof is entirely on the FBI.

>At which point, the FBI wouldn't pull this shit anyway.

Exactly. However, everyone here seems to be quite worked up over these synthetic hypotheticals.

Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by fweespeech on Thursday November 05, 2015 @11:44AM (#10514339)
> Exactly. However, everyone here seems to be quite worked up over these synthetic hypotheticals.

So you have a habit of recording all your conversations with full knowledge of the legal notification laws?

That is what "incontrovertible" evidence would require.

Fyi, its not a synthetic hypothetical. I debated explaining but honestly, I don't really expect you to believe me and I don't care at this point.

> This is pretty easy to defend as the burden of proof is entirely on the FBI.

In theory, yes. However, 5 figures in legal bills are the end result unless you have a literal recording of the conversation whose authenticity can't be questioned.

Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by jsprogrammer on Thursday November 05, 2015 @05:54PM (#10516718)
I do try to mentally record my conversations. I've found that very few other people seem to. Try asking someone what they just said some time, or asking them what you just said. I doubt they will give you a verbatim recording. Don't lie; ask questions whose answers contradict established theory.
Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by fweespeech on Friday November 06, 2015 @03:07PM (#10521687)
Lol. Good luck with that being an effective defense that costs you $0.

You'd need to record it on a machine of some kind. Which has legal consequences, notification requirements, etc.

Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by jsprogrammer on Friday November 06, 2015 @05:37PM (#10522537)
The FBI would be recording and I would have access to those recordings. Miranda right #1 I believe.
Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by fweespeech on Friday November 06, 2015 @11:02PM (#10523636)
Look, I've accepted nothing I can say will convince you.

But, if you think that is how it works, good luck.

Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by jsprogrammer on Saturday November 07, 2015 @06:00PM (#10526562)
You think the FBI can introduce evidence against you, that you cannot examine?
Re:How the F.B.I. Can Detain, Render and Threaten Without Risk by fweespeech on Saturday November 07, 2015 @11:19PM (#10527460)
You really are trying to be dense and I'm done wasting my time.