Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by unsigner on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @03:51AM
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Some of the pictures show signs of warming (although in one of the text descriptions it's attributed to planting of trees), but there's virtually no sea level rise evident?
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Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by _delirium on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @04:15AM
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The global average sea level is only estimated to have risen about 20 cm (8 inches) since 1880, so it wouldn't really be noticeable in a photograph, especially on steep coasts like Norway's. Whether the photograph was taken at high vs. low tide would make a bigger difference in most cases.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by dagw on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @05:15AM
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The land level in that part of the world has been rising for the past 100 years, counteracting most changes in sea levels:
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by kbart on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @05:28AM
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Also, more trees might relate to stricter environmental laws (you can't simply take an axe and chop a random tree nowadays) and more advanced and energy efficient heating sources that use biomass briquettes, electricity and gas instead of tree logs from the nearby thicket.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by akafred on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @07:39AM
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Land owners can generally chop down trees as they wish; with some exceptions, which mostly don't apply in these photos.
I think there are three main reasons for the increase in woodland: 1. Less cultivated land; including less land used for grazing (eg. by sheep). 2. Other sources of heating (mostly electricity, some oil, and still some wood, but usually not taken from just outside the door; there is very little use of gas in Norway). 3. Milder climate has raised the tree line. Which of these is most significant probably varies.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by evgen on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @06:25AM
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Interesting. The bit that I found most noticeable in the then/now comparison was that people in the past really did not like trees :)
Every bit of human habitation was surrounded by open areas denuded of trees. It actually looked unpleasant and sterile to see the lack of trees near everything man-made. Roads, fields, home...no trees anywhere in the vicinity.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by WalterBright on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @11:50AM
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> Every bit of human habitation was surrounded by open areas denuded of trees.
I theorize that is due to the nearby trees all being used for firewood.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by tormeh on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @09:35AM
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A lot of the difference in vegetation is due to climate change. I'm Norwegian and born in the beginning of October, which was first snow at the time. Now it never snows in October. You have to wait late November or early December. That sort of thing makes a lot of difference to plants.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by Arnt on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @09:52AM
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You can chop down trees in Norway.
However, trees don't necessarily grow unaided in many of the spots on those pictures. Here's a village I know: http://www.winnem.com/Assets/images/frambergkirkesaether.gif shows lots of trees, a century ago there were none there. They were planted in a big campaign around 1950-1970, in places where no tree could grow alone but a dozen together might grow up and shelter each other if tended a bit. All the schoolchildren planted and tended trees.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by wcameron on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @04:20AM
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Global sea level has risen less than a foot in the past 100 years. Although in environments like this, I would assume isostatic rebound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound) would play a large role in apparent local sea level changes.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by dogma1138 on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @09:44AM
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Look at the ground that is covered by water it's clearly tidal shore there are patches of water everywhere.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by kbart on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @05:22AM
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The rise of see level can be seen pretty clearly in photo no. 6.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by dvdcxn on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @06:24AM
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You can't be sure that isn't just because the tide is higher. The land now covered by water looked like tideland in the older picture as well.
Re:Norway: photographs taken of the same places separated by...
by lars on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @06:41AM
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It's almost certainly the tide. I'm familiar with the area around Torghatten. The high tide/low tide difference there can be ~2 meters, more than enough to explain all the variation in sealevel.