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Re:Helping my students overcome command-line bullshittery (2... by Gibbon1 on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:20PM (#10497230)
I have a small anecdote about this.

In the last couple of years I've had few people ask me 'how can I write a program with a GUI.' And I give the advice, 'Download the free version of Microsoft Visual Studio for C# and select new project, windows forms' and then start mucking around.

All of them were convinced by others to use qt and C++ All of them gave up after a week or two of no progress.

Re:Helping my students overcome command-line bullshittery (2... by kibibu on Monday November 02, 2015 @10:55PM (#10497391)
I got my start at "serious programming" using Visual Basic 6. There is a lot to be said for early successes.
Re:Helping my students overcome command-line bullshittery (2... by mamcx on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @08:25AM (#10499338)
I start with FoxPro DOS (2.6). After the end of the 3 months course, a full app with menus, forms, reports, etc. The same with Acces. Later Delphi (the best RAD ever!). In contrast, Visual Studio is clumsy.. but all others tools fall so far below than people truly imagine html+js is easy!