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Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by enraged_camel on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:51PM (#10488212)
This is like saying Apple products are popular because Apple has a great marketing team, as opposed to because said products are genuinely easier to use (they "just work") than their alternatives.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by nodamage on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:26PM (#10488675)
Sadly, a lot of people (generally die-hard nerd types) genuinely believe that marketing was the sole reason for the iPhone's meteoric rise in 2007. They don't place any importance on user experience and therefore can't tell the difference between the iPhone and the early-gen smartphone predecessors (Palm/Nokia/etc).

These are the same people that are now confused as to why Slack has risen in popularity despite the existence of IRC, which (in their eyes) is technically superior.

Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by pyre on Sunday November 01, 2015 @08:19PM (#10489368)
To be fair, (as a Slack user) I'm not sure off-hand what Slack has that couldn't have been done on top of IRC. Almost everything could have been done with an IRC Server + Backend Services + Fancy Client model.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by riking on Monday November 02, 2015 @09:20PM (#10496953)
Problem: "Backend services" - how many of the Slack integrations don't have public APIs and Slack was only able to do it by being a single company? Good luck convincing people to set up the API keys for all of those services.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by pyre on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @07:53PM (#10503859)
Why can't Slack run irc servers on their own equipment? The "integrations" would just be IRC bots running on private Slack servers, no?
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by ris on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:40PM (#10488742)
> (they "just work")

Please don't say that Apple products "just work". We've got an office full of them.

Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by shaan7 on Monday November 02, 2015 @01:21AM (#10490340)
and I need to "put a USB keybord, take it out again" when suddenly my Mac keyboard and trackpad stop responding xD

I'd rather have "easier to debug when it doesn't work" than "just works, most of the times"

Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by TeMPOraL on Sunday November 01, 2015 @10:50PM (#10489904)
Yes, it's pretty much self-evident truth. "Genuinely easier to use", even if it was clear-cut thing, doesn't explain the levels of popularity Apple products have. Lifestyle branding does.

It reminds me of Raspberry Pi. There are lots of more powerful boards that you can buy cheaper, but people still mostly buy RPi because it is the brand.

Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by muzmath on Sunday November 01, 2015 @11:08PM (#10489952)
Buying 'the brand' can also lead to much more documentation which can make the 10% change in price worth while.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by mempko on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:00PM (#10488543)
Apple products got good because of large amount of investment, not because they were popular. If IRC tech got the investment slack has now, it would only get better.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by Avshalom on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:07PM (#10488577)
It worked for Nike and De Beers.

The entire sports drink industry.

The supplement industry.

Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by petewailes on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:23PM (#10488371)
Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not...
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by njharman on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:25PM (#10488384)
But that is why Apple is so popular. They are a marketing monster! They sell a "lifestyle" and they do it extremely well. They tell you to "Think Different" (as long as it means buying an apple product). They tell you one button is easy and the best. They tell people what to think and (some) people think that.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by seanmcdirmid on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:43PM (#10488470)
Yet they spend less on marketing then most major tech companies. One could just argue they spend their marketing budget well, but you have to wonder.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by TeMPOraL on Sunday November 01, 2015 @10:52PM (#10489909)
They spend just maintenance level. Tech press and media does the marketing for them.
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by kbenson on Sunday November 01, 2015 @08:13PM (#10489344)
Less as a percentage of gross income, or less in total dollars?
Re:Please don't use Slack for FOSS projects by seanmcdirmid on Sunday November 01, 2015 @08:24PM (#10489383)
Both. Apple is infamous for its anemic marketing budgets; e.g.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/04/apples-advertising-budget...