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Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by sunni2sunni on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:30AM (#10485801)
well nkurz pull the plug before it is too late. ads suck, no one ever wants to look at them.
Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by Oletros on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:43AM (#10485818)
But we want to read their reviews and participate in their forums.
Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by SixSigma on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:55AM (#10485843)
How much in $ terms is that worth to you?

Work it out and send guru3d a payment

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by hcon on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:08AM (#10485988)
Obviously nobody does that.

My favorite example is when you see a popular github repository with a donate button (Flattr, Bitcoin address, etc) only to realize they've made a whole $14 in the past year. Wow, thanks world!

It turns out that ads worked because the user didn't actually have to do anything. They didn't have to get their credit card out of their wallet, something they rarely do on the internet.

And when they do, it's to give money to a large corporation like Netflix or because Jimmy Wales managed to beg for donations in a more invasive annoying way than a banner ad ever was. (You know, I never once had to see the face of the founder of AdultFriendFinder in one of their ads.)

I hope we find a next-coming middleground that changes the culture of what people are willing to pay for and how they do it. But the fact that giving your credit/debit card number to someone gives them (and anyone else) unlimited charge license on your account is not helping.

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by SixSigma on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:35AM (#10486034)
You say "nobody" but I know that's not true because I am "somebody" who donates.

Ad blockers mean one isn't prepared to pay for your product. Personally when I am prevented from viewing content because my Privoxy has been detected I tend to just go elsewhere. I find ads a significant burden on my concentration and well being.

Yet in print media I don't mind. Often I read trade mags specifically for the ads, they are great market research.

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by hcon on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @11:20AM (#10500526)
I mean "nobody" in the sense that it doesn't scale and people like you, god bless, do not replace ads for the vast majority of websites.

At least not until some sort of shift happens in how we pay for content which I think is imminent.

> Ad blockers mean one isn't prepared to pay for your product.

Perhaps rather: "Your product is not worth taking out a credit card and paying for" which applies to most websites. There are massive barriers to explicitly paying for things, even just psychological.

In an abstract sense, ads are like vignette windshield stickers that let you cruise past tollway checkpoints when the alternative is to have to stop at a tollboth even if it's just to pay 10 cents.

People have tried to create services that replace ads in that abstraction, but so far nothing has stuck. I think the post-ad solution needs to be just as mindless as ads if it's going to replace them.

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by chris_wot on Sunday November 01, 2015 @10:00AM (#10486550)
Yeah, ads work because users don't do anything. That includes actually clicking on the ads themselves.
Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by hcon on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @11:08AM (#10500449)
Ever use Adwords or Adsense? People click on ads.

Fewer and fewer, but they still do and with enough volume to prop up entire businesses, small and multinational.

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by augustk on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:55AM (#10485845)
And you trust advertiser-funded reviews?
Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by jfoutz on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:47AM (#10485828)
Eh, a better approach is probably to just detect adblock and put up a "please don't use adblock/donate here button".

Maybe lightbox you from time to time asking for the same.

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by rewqfdsa on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:58AM (#10485853)
> detect adblock

One does not simply "detect adblock". Browsers are user agents. They run code in an environment optimized for user safety and convenience. These environments will always be able to tell your site's server- and client-side code exactly what it wants to hear while showing something different to the user. You can't stop it. The client will always win.

We may eventually get to the point where clients use various computer vision techniques to recognize ads. If I can clearly distinguish jiggling, improbably large elf anatomy below a flashing yellow "PLAY THIS ONLINE RPG" from content I want to see, so can an algorithm, at least to within an acceptable error rate.

Advertisements that are so borderline that they can't be detected as advertisements are ones I probably don't mind seeing anyway.

Spammers have already tried all available countermeasures and they've completely lost. Spam is so completely ineffective that it's actually dipped below half of email traffic.

No, the client will always win in the end.

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by sputr on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:04AM (#10485866)
Actually, it can (and is routinely) done. https://github.com/brockwhittaker/Detect-Adblockers
Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by rewqfdsa on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:06AM (#10485869)
It's an arms race. Advertisers may be able to detect ad blockers in the short term, but eventually they will lose. That's because users control their machines and advertisers don't. Widespread use of adblock-blockers will only hasten this inevitable defeat.

The techniques used by the project to which you've linked can be trivially worked around by detecting the script itself and either not running it or telling it what it wants to hear. (Come on: an iframe? You really don't think a browser extension could lie about that? I expected at least some kind of server-client traffic correlation for a serious ad-blocker-blocker attempt.)

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by userbinator on Sunday November 01, 2015 @10:59AM (#10486775)
That's because users control their machines

That is unfortunately not the case in all situations now (e.g. mobile devices).

http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html

http://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by jfoutz on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:45PM (#10487823)
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some sites will play nice. It's easy to imagine buzzfeed just loading their image content from adservers though.
Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by rasz_pl on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:58PM (#10488255)
Just clicked the demo http://www.lavancier.com/adblock/ and: "Ads are enabled in this browser. :)"

Now guess if I block ads?

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by bigbugbag on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:50PM (#10488198)
Except this will be blocked by script blockers such as noscript which used to #1 most downloaded extension for firefox.
Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by weinzierl on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:29AM (#10485915)
In the end the client is bound to lose.

The only reason the client can separate certain forms of advertising from content is that advertisers - by and large - don't care. The more advertising and content is intermingled the more difficult it will be to separate them. The intermingling is already happening as we see in the rise of content marketing.

Re:The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com by bigbugbag on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:42PM (#10488162)
Don't we already have adblock detector detector technology that remove those banners ?