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Re:China to begin two-child policy by freehunter on Thursday October 29, 2015 @09:41AM (#10470868)
No matter the history, using terms as they are applied in real life is generally accepted. The definition of communism means one thing, the real world applications of it are something else. How many communist governments have there been that weren't totalitarian?
Re:China to begin two-child policy by bigfudge on Thursday October 29, 2015 @10:41AM (#10471330)
As I implicitly recognised in my initial comment, the number of non totalitarian communist governments is small. Nonetheless there are plenty of people who self-identify as communist (e.g. in Greece) who don't advocate policies that require or imply totalitarianism. That's why the precision matters.
Re:China to begin two-child policy by hackerboos on Thursday October 29, 2015 @09:59AM (#10470995)
Well since Communism advocates a stateless (and classless) society there will probably never be one.
Re:China to begin two-child policy by fineman on Thursday October 29, 2015 @01:53PM (#10472929)
Well there aren't any actual communist governments, so there haven't been any totalitarian ones. :P

I agree, somewhat, about using vernacular, but that misses the point.

The USSR was no-more a communism because they said so than they'd have been a capitalism by saying so... You are as you do, not as you wish to be seen doing.

Re:China to begin two-child policy by hodwik on Thursday October 29, 2015 @10:09AM (#10471066)
In this case they're not totalitarian though. China is a Republic, it's just a Republic with a taller pyramid than our own.

You elect district leaders, who elect state leaders and the congress, and they elect the president and prime minister.

Technically, that's roughly the same system we have here with the electoral congress and faithless electors. The difference is that in the US, faithless electors are much less common than in China.

But you can look here and see that there is a history of faithless electors in the US too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector#List_of_fait...

China's system is actually not so different from ours was 150 years ago, so they're not that far off all-told. Or, actually, in a sense even more recently when the congress decided between Bush and Gore.

Re:China to begin two-child policy by saryant on Thursday October 29, 2015 @10:44AM (#10471352)
> You elect district leaders

...from a list of candidates approved by the Communist Party.

Re:China to begin two-child policy by hodwik on Thursday October 29, 2015 @02:44PM (#10473297)
Which actually means you have more choice.

In the US you generally get one Democrat and one Republican.

When you have only one party, it's as though you have no parties, you get to elect from many different candidates.

Re:China to begin two-child policy by somebehemoth on Thursday October 29, 2015 @04:26PM (#10474024)
Look at the unrest in Hong Kong over China pre-approving candidates for political office. In a place that had democracy and is transitioning to Chinese rule it is obvious that very many people don't think they are getting "more choice" with their locked in list of candidates. I am not championing the US system (it has many flaws) but at least Democrats and Republicans have vastly different ideologies that people can choose from. That citizens from both parties tend to pick moderate candidates (that are closer in ideology) does not lessen the real choice the people are given when voting in elections.
Re:China to begin two-child policy by hodwik on Thursday October 29, 2015 @05:15PM (#10474347)
Looking at what China does in Hong Kong is vastly different from what China does in China.

By the same token, in the States we get say in the president. The same is not true for places under the control of The Office of Insular Affairs & Puerto Rico.

At least the citizens of Hong Kong get to vote.

I'm not saying Chinese government is perfect, it absolutely has massive hurdles before it could be described as modern, but it's not nearly as bad as most Westerners make it out to be. A lot has changed in the last 30 years.

Re:China to begin two-child policy by gnaritas on Thursday October 29, 2015 @11:07AM (#10471569)
Not so different from there, where our candidates are chosen by those from the wealthy. No access to large sums of money, no viable candidacy.