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Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by mazelife on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @09:25AM (#10457809)
I'm not going to say that there's isn't plenty of obscurantism, needless jargon, and just plain bad writing in academia. But, this article paints a pretty simplistic and one-sided picture. Let me take a quote that's emblematic of the problem from one of the professors (!?) in the article: “Academics, in general, don’t think about the public; they don't think about the average person, and they don't even think about their students when they write,”[Deborah S. Bosley] says. “Their intended audience is always their peers. That’s who they have to impress to get tenure.”

Specifically this notion that "[an academic writer's] intended audience is always their peers," is treated as though it's somehow incriminating. But it's not, it's what most academic writing is for! Many academics do write for the public—and that's great, and more should do so—but they don't publish that in journals or with an academic press and when they do write for the public, their writing is usually pitched at a more accessible level. But most of the writing academics do is aimed at their peers because that is how ideas are transmitted among specialists and how a body of knowledge is gradually expanded. The notion that that they only do this just to "impress" or get tenure seems to be a really bad-faith argument.

Look, any highly technical endeavor is going to have highly technical jargon that’s pretty impenetrable from the outside. There's nothing wrong with that: it allows specialists to communicate about complex topics efficiently. Whether the field is medicine, philosophy, or computer science is immaterial. Frankly, if you want to see a place where obscurantism, needless jargon, and just plain bad writing are used as tools to disguise the fundamental banality of the ideas being presented, look no further than a lot of business writing. I'd take academic writing over management-speak any day.

Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by airza on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @09:34AM (#10457851)
I don't see much complaining about academic jargon in this article. There is some, but it's more about the tortuous syntax and sentences mostly devoid of meaning. I also disagree that it's about impressing their peers and more about writing in the 'usual' style for academic papers.

The style of business writing is equally cumbersome, but this frequently seems to be a disguise for the fact that no actual information. Maybe some papers in academia are trying to overstate their conclusions' complexity?

Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by mazelife on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @09:52AM (#10457949)
I dunno, taking aim at jargon seems to be central to the article's purpose based on my reading of it:

"The idea that writing should be clear, concise, and low-jargon isn’t a new one—and it isn’t limited to government agencies, of course. The problem of needlessly complex writing—sometimes referred to as an 'opaque writing style'—has been explored in fields ranging from law to science. Yet in academia, unwieldy writing has become something of a protected tradition."

That's pretty much the thesis of the article. Anyway, I've certainly encountered academic writing with "tortuous syntax and sentences mostly devoid of meaning," although it's a small minority of writing in my experience. This article seems to suggests it's a conspiracy to keep the public out while signaling some kind of in-group membership. But I've always let Occam's razor guide me: a much simpler explanation is that many people (and academics are by no means free from this) are not good writers.

Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by tertius on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @11:47AM (#10458754)
I'd like to add that most high impact journals limit how much you can write which causes a lot of the complexity.

If the science isn't good enough then it won't get published. And if it's too simple then by default it won't get published.

So now you have complex science that can be well elucidated by someone who can write well except that the word count limit is half of what you need. Complexity ensues.

The journal then pushes back and says "x isn't clear enough." So then you have to make it clearer but still stay within the word count limit. Other things then need to be optimized.

* My example is controlled for bad writing. Source: My wife is published in many high impact journals and continues to do so. The requirements are the bane of her existence.

Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by scott_s on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @10:47AM (#10458284)
As others in this discussion point out, the submitted article conflates the two (tortured syntax; jargon). The other explanation for tortured syntax in all domains is simpler: most people are bad writers.
Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by voyou on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @11:28AM (#10458590)
It's not just that most people are bad writers; people generally get worse at basic writing skills (grammar, sentence structure) when they are writing about unfamiliar or complex topics. When academics are reporting on their ongoing research, at least part of what they want to say will be ideas with which they have only recently become familiar, and the clarity of their writing will suffer as a result.
Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by scott_s on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:00PM (#10458856)
I actually disagree. Speaking from writing computer science papers, the moment of writing is when I understand it the best. I often have to go back and read my old papers to remind myself of all of the nuances of the work. I think a worse problem is the opposite: academics understand what they're writing about so well, and have been steeped in it for so long, that they can't "see" all of the information they leave out.

At the time, the writing is clear because I have had the entire topic in my head for a month. But years later, I can see I did not clarify simple things which would have made the text easier to understand.

Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by deeviant on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @02:43PM (#10460190)
I don't think the article conflates the two at all, it lists each out separately and in no way implies that they are the same thing, only that they are part of the same problem.
Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by scott_s on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @03:09PM (#10460351)
Except that the issue I have, and some others have, is that jargon is not a problem.
Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by fluidcruft on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @10:42AM (#10458254)
I doubt it's about overstating the conclusions' complexity. It's usually more that "I have neither the time nor space to fit a thesis in this space".
Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by pitt1980 on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @09:37AM (#10457867)
is that style of writing actually easier for other professors to read?
Re:The Needless Complexity of Academic Writing by hyperpape on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @10:25AM (#10458157)
Give me complicated syntax over unclear ideas any day.

There are a handful of truly gifted writers who manage to write simply about complex ideas, but complicated ideas tend to force you into a really tedious process of making distinctions, or repeating which one of a set of closely related ideas you are referring to in a given clause.

So yes, academic style is often more readable for professors than the alternative. That doesn't mean there isn't crap out there: that Flaubert piece does not feel like it's using jargon in a way that clarifies anything to anyone, academic or otherwise. However, it's not my area of expertise, so I can only voice a suspicion.

(Not a professor, but I spent four years in grad school, originally hoping for a PhD and research position).