I'm very aware of this argument and even agree with it in some cases. I will say that it's still 'work' in a very real sense. In my case, it was the most respectable ways for me to earn my way out of poverty and eventually have enough money for college.

but do you see the subjectivity of your opinion?

> was too proud

> the idea that welfare and the nanny state in general hurt more than they help

> the most respectable ways

you are placing your own morality on other peoples' choices with definitive and hostile rhetoric

you speak of pride, respect, and hurt, but have you examined these ideas for yourself?

perhaps someone on welfare is more proud that they stayed out of the military, an entity often acting as a machine of violence used to enable politicians' often dubious goals

perhaps someone on welfare thinks it is more respectable to accept aide from others than support military effort

perhaps someone on welfare thinks it is less hurtful to accept aide from others than to accept work supporting goals that often lead to direct hurt being inflicted on others

so, by your own criteria those accepting welfare are in the right as well because they are: too proud to join the military, think it is more respectable to stay out of the military, and think the military causes hurt more than welfare

i think it's dangerous to question a person's character lest you be prepared to have your own questioned

I'd like to see the term "warfare queen" become part of the vernacular the way "welfare queen" did.

The army's healthcare system is positively European too.

Military jobs are anything but fictitious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualt...