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Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by ZeroGravitas on Sunday October 25, 2015 @10:20AM (#10446912)
"Teaching to the test" generally doesn't mean covering the material that the test is intended to cover in theory, it means drilling the exact format of questions, studying previous years, knowing exactly what you can sacrifice coverage of, how to guess multiple choice questions when you don't know the answer etc. Basically over-optimizing to fit an imperfect model.

Now, I'm a good test taker generally, and it has always helped me in life, and I will ensure my children know the rules of the game. But from the perspective of the country or planet, that's not time and effort well spent, it's a zero-sum arms-race that could have been better spent.

There's more to this, e.g. the fact that the tests are really testing the teachers (again very imperfectly), that some people want to privatize education and so on, but "teaching to the test" is a well known anti-pattern for good reasons, even though the individual incentives push us in that direction.

Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by SilasX on Sunday October 25, 2015 @12:43PM (#10447365)
I don't think that disagrees with me: yes, schools should teach a general understanding, rather than drilling a narrow toolbox that works on one specific test. But then:

- As I said above, you would need to cite which test question are game-able, and which encourage this narrow teaching, which critics never do.

- If the problem is that teachers try to satisfy this goal by trying to game the tests, then the problem is with this way of teaching, not the tests per se.

Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by themartorana on Sunday October 25, 2015 @01:24PM (#10447523)
"From September until Christmas vacation, [Brookside] was like any school you would imagine. Then, once they got back from Christmas break, for the next nine weeks until testing began, it was a different animal. What they did was drop their curriculum, drop their texts, and instead study exclusively from a standardized-test prep book. Kids weren't getting a liberal arts education, but prepping to a very narrowly drawn standardized test in primarily language arts and math. Because they were interested in passing the test more than anything else, for that 22 percent of the school year, they taught primarily to the broad middle section of kids that were going to pass. Plus, the school went and reached out to those kids who they thought were on the cusp of possibly passing. So who gets left out? The kids at the bottom and the kids at the top." [0]

It's not the tests per se, but it's what is put on the line. Raises, funding, evaluations, keeping your job - these are all disincentives to well-rounded education. Please don't make me quote the plethora of studies that show how important arts, literature, and the sciences are to primary education. Completely stopping studying these things for half the school year is bad.

So it doesn't matter if the tests are filled with good-to-know knowledge - they're positioned to dis-incentivize and devalue anything that isn't math, language arts, and a narrow reading of how to structure an essay.

[0] http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2013/04/11/why-excess...

Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by rahimnathwani on Sunday October 25, 2015 @08:43PM (#10449078)
Do you (A) oppose standardised testing in general, or (B) just object to (i) the way the test results are used as incentives/whatever, and (ii) think they test too narrow a set of subjects, or (C) something else?

You raise an objection to raises and funding being tied to test outcomes. Why would this be bad? Sure, if the tests are testing the wrong things, then we should fix the tests. But, it's not impossible to measure educational outcomes. Why should teachers continued employment, and pay, not reflect how well they are measured to be doing, at the thing they are paid to do?

Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by plonh on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:00AM (#10456243)
The most profitable companies on earth got their by having a time horizon of longer than 8 months . there are critically important things that you can't measure on a multiple choice test
Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by waterlesscloud on Sunday October 25, 2015 @10:49AM (#10446990)
>"Teaching to the test" generally doesn't mean covering the material that the test is intended to cover in theory, it means drilling the exact format of questions...

Sure, if you're an incompetent teacher. But then maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be teaching at all.

Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by acdha on Sunday October 25, 2015 @01:35PM (#10447577)
You're making a number of bad assumptions:

1. The test actually covers what's important

2. The teacher has the time, resources and support needed to fully convey the material to every student

3. The teacher and the school are receiving students who are realistically capable of reaching the expected level

4. The test results will be interpreted in good faith and used only to help students and teachers perform better

In the U.S. public education system, years of simplistic fixes have largely ensured that none of those are true. Instead there are vicious feedback loops: unprepared students will do worse on tests, which is held against the teachers and school no matter how hard they were trying, which leads the most motivated parents to take their kids elsewhere and the best teachers to leave teaching or find another school or district where their efforts are appreciated. After a few iterations, the district may close the “failing” school and make life even harder for kids who now have the same problems plus a more of their day commuting to a school where they'll probably bear the stigma of having come from a bad school/neighborhood.

Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by cjslep on Sunday October 25, 2015 @11:47AM (#10447167)
> Sure, if you're an incompetent teacher. But then maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be teaching at all.

But the teacher that does this will have students with higher scores, so by all metrics they are not the incompetent ones.

Like in software engineering, metrics lose meaning once they are used to justify rewards and punishments.

Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by Natanael_L on Sunday October 25, 2015 @11:40AM (#10447155)
Or you're a good teacher with students learning what they should, but the other classes got higher numbers despite not knowing the topic as well, so now you're under pressure to copy them.
Re:Study says standardized testing is overwhelming nation’s ... by themartorana on Sunday October 25, 2015 @01:26PM (#10447535)
Says someone with I'm guessing no teaching experience, and no background in education.

Teach the test, get better scores... Better teacher? Not likely.