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Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by tptacek on Sunday January 10, 2010 @11:25AM (#1043234)
Summary: "Because it means life is not incredibly unlikely (after all, it occurred on two planets in our own solar system); ergo what must instead be incredibly unlikely is the ability for life to progress to the point where it can spread across the galaxy (after all, no other life form has contacted us); ergo we are doomed."
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by mkyc on Sunday January 10, 2010 @04:28PM (#1043695)
You can't summarize that paper. The responses to the various objections are vital; they are part of the central argument, not tangential to it. The positive argument is also much richer than you portray it, and therefore much more convincing.

Save your summaries for techcrunch. They are not for refereed writing on subject X (i.e. 'existential risk') by the foremost authority on subject X. If you're not reading the whole thing (perhaps 2 or 3 times), you may as well not read it.

Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by Semiapies on Sunday January 10, 2010 @05:05PM (#1043752)
Especially when the "summary" is incorrect.
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by tptacek on Sunday January 10, 2010 @05:54PM (#1043831)
What'd I mess up?
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by Semiapies on Sunday January 10, 2010 @05:59PM (#1043842)
For one, there is no "ergo, we are doomed" - quite the opposite:

"So this is why I conclude that the silence of the night sky is golden, and why, in the search for extraterrestrial life, no news is good news. It promises a potentially great future for humanity."

Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by TheSOB88 on Sunday January 10, 2010 @07:19PM (#1043957)
I think you are reading the root comment with the wrong perspective in mind. He is saying we are doomed if there is life on Mars.
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by Semiapies on Monday January 11, 2010 @01:14PM (#1045589)
Nor is the writer saying that.
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by amichail on Sunday January 10, 2010 @12:21PM (#1043315)
We need a tldr service where summaries can be put in one place and embedded in other sites such as HN.
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by dunk010 on Sunday January 10, 2010 @12:43PM (#1043342)
The author had a good point to be made but took too long to get it across.
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by gwern on Sunday January 10, 2010 @12:48PM (#1043352)
He had a good point and took so long to make it so carefully because he knows that if he doesn't, people will make all sorts of dumb comments & objections.

This HN submission actually isn't even all that bad as far as it goes; check the comments on some of Bostrom's submissions to other, more popular, fora and you'll be routinely smacking your forehead.

Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by Semiapies on Sunday January 10, 2010 @05:06PM (#1043756)
We need people to have the patience to look at a ten-page essay and not go, "Noooooooo...words...."

EDIT: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, here - not everything worthwhile comes packaged in a ten-sentence blog post.

Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by dmoney on Sunday January 10, 2010 @08:40PM (#1044086)
A tl;dr summary helps to figure out which 10 page essays to read, and which would just waste of 30 minutes of your life.
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by Semiapies on Monday January 11, 2010 @01:18PM (#1045602)
I suspect it may be a waste either way; at least some of the tl;dr complainers seem to have trouble doing more than skimming such an essay.

Therein lies the real problem.

Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by Herring on Sunday January 10, 2010 @03:22PM (#1043586)
I'm sorry, two planets in our solar system?
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by tptacek on Sunday January 10, 2010 @03:31PM (#1043601)
Supposing we found life on Mars.
Re:Why I Hope the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Finds Not... by bd on Sunday January 10, 2010 @04:09PM (#1043665)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hills_84001

See in particular the most recent paper from NASA (November 2009):

Life on Mars: New Evidence from Martian Meteorites

"New data on Martian meteorite 84001 as well as new experimental studies show that thermal or shock decomposition of carbonate, the leading alternative non-biologic explanation for the unusual nanophase magnetite found in this meteorite, cannot explain the chemistry of the actual martian magnetites. This leaves the biogenic explanation as the only remaining viable hypothesis for the origin of these unique magnetites. Additional data from two other martian meteorites show a suite of biomorphs which are nearly identical between meteorites recovered from two widely different terrestrial environments (Egyptian Nile bottomlands and Antarctic ice sheets). This similarity argues against terrestrial processes as the cause of these biomorphs and supports an origin on Mars for these features."

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/403089main_7441-1.pd...