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Re:Ask HN: Are we too lenient on Google and Apple? by credo on Saturday January 09, 2010 @11:40PM (#1042662)
No law compels Google to retain user information.

It is misleading to suggest that Google isn't deliberately retaining information and that it is just trying to comply with the law. The law only states (in some circumstances) that any "retained" information must be provided to the govt

Re:Ask HN: Are we too lenient on Google and Apple? by ebrenes on Wednesday January 13, 2010 @06:07PM (#1051438)
And yet retaining information is only part of the problem. The Patriot Act can put some pretty demanding requirements on companies such as Google. They can be asked, if not obliged to cooperate with investigations by providing search data or email headers.

Take for example this article by the ACLU, in particular the Pen register searches applied to the Internet section (http://www.aclu.org/national-security/surveillance-under-usa...). I'm not a lawyer, but given those guidelines the query string variables used by Google seem to be within the purveys of the law. Subsequently they are required to allow the appropriate government agencies to access these requests if they so desire.

In brief, Schmidt's quote is incredibly relevant, because people might be mistaken about what is private under the law. He suggests that people adopt a common sense approach to their activities, especially the ones they consider of a sensitive nature. Instead of suggesting people become familiar with very complex legal documents or adopt a false sense of security. People need to stop thinking that all transactions with web servers are somehow private or privileged, when the government clearly does not want them to be.

Re:Ask HN: Are we too lenient on Google and Apple? by ThinkWriteMute on Sunday January 10, 2010 @03:43AM (#1042842)
Which has what to do with the out of context quote?

I've seen this fifty times now:

"Google says no one can have privacy!" "No, that's not what he said. He said not to use public things if you want to remain private." "Well then Google shouldn't retain user information!" "OK, but what does that have to do with you making misleading comments about what he said?" "-1"

Re:Ask HN: Are we too lenient on Google and Apple? by credo on Sunday January 10, 2010 @08:55PM (#1044105)
what is misleading about what I said ?

please answer that without making up any quotes.

Re:Ask HN: Are we too lenient on Google and Apple? by litewulf on Monday January 11, 2010 @04:34PM (#1046085)
Logging is useful for debugging issues that crop up in production, conducting A/B tests, and generally making things work, and work well. There is a fairly nuanced judgement here in terms of how much information one should collect weighed against the privacy woes that legislation can impose.

I am not sure you realize the ramifications of what you are suggesting, or, we simply have differing systems of values.