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Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:06PM (#10422153)
He assembled two broken clocks together into a $20 box he bought. He didn't make a clock, exactly, but he didn't claim to.

And it changes nothing. To claim that he was trying to make it look like a bomb for attention is absurd.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by notahacker on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:00PM (#10422447)
To be fair, it changes the narrative from "smart kid builds ingenious working electronic clock" to "tinkering kid disassembles clocks to make them (coincidentally or otherwise) look like Hollywood depictions of a bomb". The background context has the kid messing about with plenty of other electronic devices for fun, but it also has a politically-active father turning up at well-publicised Quran-burning events and claiming shock that the Quran was burned. It's not exactly beyond the realms of possibility that he might have seen the potential for his son's electronic experimentation to end in a suspension and similar barrage of publicity, even if the son himself is merely an innocuous hacker type with a fondness for electronics.

Obviously any suggestion of intent still doesn't excuse the way the police reportedly handled things, or make Dawkins' attitude any less ridiculous.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by noobermin on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:53PM (#10422685)
>It's not exactly beyond the realms of possibility that he might have seen the potential for his son's electronic experimentation to end in a suspension and similar barrage of publicity.

Even if Ahmed was being a delinquent, I can in no way understand how anyone can think this is true. Unless the father encouraged his son to take a bomb lookalike to school, how the hell could he, a 14 year old boy, have foreseen the act as attracting as much attention as it has? How could anyone?

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by rayiner on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:30PM (#10422291)
> And it changes nothing. To claim that he was trying to make it look like a bomb for attention is absurd.

What is more absurd: that a teenager violated a school rule to get attention, or that a whole bunch of school administrators and police officers couldn't tell an alarm clock apart from a bomb?

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:28PM (#10422577)
What's more absurd that he was suspended for either a silly prank, or for plugging an alarm clock with exposed wires and a transformer into an AC socket which went off during a class, refused to cooperate with the school administrators, and later then police or that Google invited him to the Science Fair for putting a radio shack clock in a box which put him in the same club as other attendees like 17 year old Olivia Hallisey who got her spot for inventing a new faster, cheaper, and more reliable method of detecting Ebola http://googleforeducation.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/spotlight-o... or 13 year old Pranav Sivakumar who designed a machine learning algorithm that can detect Quasars through gravitational lensing which is now also being used to discover dark matter clusters http://googleforeducation.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/spotlight-o...?
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by beeboop on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:37PM (#10422331)
The administration knew it wasn't a bomb. If they actually thought it was a bomb, even slightly, they would have had a bomb drill. They have bomb drills for anonymous phone calls for shit's sake. They knew it was a hoax and he was attention seeking which is why he was sent to the office.
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:44PM (#10422370)
> The administration knew it wasn't a bomb. If they actually thought it was a bomb, even slightly, they would have had a bomb drill.

That may make unwarranted assumptions about competence of the particular officials involved. Though, I'd say that if they thought it was a bomb, then their reaction was just as bad as if they didn't, for a different set of reasons.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by fein on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:34PM (#10422316)
What's most absurd is that his parents weren't wise enough (optimistic theory) to tell their kid that this was a very shitty idea.

This is a case of parents using their child as a publicity stunt (pessimistic theory).

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:42PM (#10422359)
That's irrelevant to the question of Ahmed's intent
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by Consultant32452 on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:42PM (#10422356)
Can we at least admit to ourselves that what he built would have passed for a bomb in a movie? Because while I agree the whole thing was handled poorly, it's not completely implausible to think that was a bomb.
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by blakeyrat on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:08PM (#10422496)
Even in movies, bombs usually have this thing known as "explosives" attached to them somewhere.
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by nitrogen on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:02PM (#10422460)
Can we at least admit to ourselves that what he built would have passed for a bomb in a movie?

Can we at least admit that movies have approximately zero relevance to reality?

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 21, 2015 @01:41AM (#10423899)
> Can we at least admit to ourselves that what he built would have passed for a bomb in a movie?

In the same way that a person dressed in the black garb worn by stagehands, by theatrical convention, passes as invisible. The appearance of bombs in movies is an artistic convention designed to provide dramatic tension.

> Because while I agree the whole thing was handled poorly, it's not completely implausible to think that was a bomb.

The school action would be even more ludicrously inappropriate if they did think it was a bomb.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by qyv on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:31PM (#10422294)
Why is it so absurd? Because young people never do stupid things for attention? Was the school/police reaction over the top? Yes, for sure. Is the counter-reaction given to this kid in an effort to appear to appear to be on the side of goodness and rationality equally silly? Absolutely.
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by InclinedPlane on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:34PM (#10422314)
Because he didn't, period.

There are only two scenarios here that are tenable. Either he built a real bomb and brought it to school or he didn't build a real bomb.

If he didn't build a real bomb then the question becomes whether or not he attempted to scare people with a hoax bomb.

Unquestionably he didn't build a real bomb. Moreover, he didn't attempt to scare anyone with a fake bomb either. He brought a clock to school. He insisted to everyone that it was a clock. And he tried to avoid showing it to people.

That is not a hoax bomb in any sense of the word. If you don't have a hoax bomb and you don't have a real bomb then what do you have? Panic, and bigotry. Nothing more.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by beeboop on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:40PM (#10422348)
What you're saying is against everything else that has been said. He showed it to every teacher that day until he was sent to the office. He plugged it into the wall so it would beep and get the teacher's attention. I am sure he said "hey guys it's just a clock!!!" with a shit eating grin knowing people's reactions to it was that it didn't look like "just a clock". I know because I was that kid at his age too and did shit like this (but with pictures of things like looked like a penis but TOTALLY WEREN'T GUYZ!!!).
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:50PM (#10422393)
But see, I could make something that I called a "clock", and tell people that it was a "clock", and still deliberately make it seem like I've got a bomb that I'm trying to pass off as a clock. The "trying to avoid showing it to people" kind of fits this idea.
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by InclinedPlane on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:33PM (#10422599)
Ah yes, the classic "check out this extremely cunning and subtle genius who is too dumb to build his own clock right."
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by tedks on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:37PM (#10422335)
That is not how zero-tolerance policies are enforced in any school district.
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:43PM (#10422360)
> That is not how zero-tolerance policies are enforced in any school district.

Zero-tolerance policies are their own can of worms, but neither such policies nor any possible explanation of their enforcement explains the characterizations made after the fact by both school and law enforcement officials regarding the supposed "hoax bomb".

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by tedks on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:55PM (#10422414)
http://www.irvingisd.net/cms/lib010/TX01917973/Centricity/Do...

http://pol.tasb.org/Policy/Download/367?filename=FOD(LEGAL)....

These are the relevant documents. They are short enough to read them in less than 5 minutes. Can you tell me what the legally-mandated punishment is for bringing a non-weapon that resembles a weapon onto school grounds is?

It's easy to bikeshed about "characterizations", but there are legally no other ways the school district could have reacted on the day they were making decisions.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:08PM (#10422486)
> Can you tell me what the legally-mandated punishment is for bringing a non-weapon that resembles a weapon onto school grounds is?

Can you explain the relevance since -- except in the sense that every digital clock in existence resembles a fictional weapon through the Hollywood tendency to depict bombs as digital clock displays -- the actual device in question does not in any meaningful sense resemble a weapon.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by tedks on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @07:41PM (#10422634)
Do you think that matters at all? Literally everyone involved in this chain of decisions, from the teacher to the school principal to the superindendent, are only interested in covering their own ass. They don't need to think that the device in question resembles a weapon, they just need to think that ANYONE will at ANY TIME think that it does and penalize them for not acting as the law mandates.

Further, you answer your own question.

Remember that chicken fingers qualify as weapons under these policies.

Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by nikolay on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:28PM (#10422268)
It does change things as the media (including the social media) has presented things much differently.
Re:‘Clock kid’ Ahmed Mohamed and his family will move to Qatar by hugh4 on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @06:30PM (#10422290)
Why is it absurd?

Whether it's true or false is another issue (I don't claim to know his motivations) but absurd?