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Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by andyjohnson0 on Thursday October 15, 2015 @04:21AM (#10391981)
Then it seems that MPs might need to start deploying and using crypto in their everyday work - in a similar way to some mainstream journalists [1][2]. Which is a real shame and a serious distraction.

Also, the Prime Minister and most members of the cabinet are MPs. I wonder if this disclosure affects them too?

[1] http://www.tcij.org/resources/handbooks/infosec

[2] http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/hacks_hackers_security_fo...

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by Fuxy on Thursday October 15, 2015 @06:44AM (#10392380)
I find it kind of funny since most MP's have been in favor of the spying on regular citizens under the assumption that they are immune.

Now that they are in the same basket as everyone else I wonder if they will change their tune.

It's always funny when someone who thinks they are a above the law they are creating end up subject to it.

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by onion2k on Thursday October 15, 2015 @08:08AM (#10392621)
Then it seems that MPs might need to start deploying and using crypto in their everyday work

All MPs official business should be a matter of open, transparent public record. Nothing they do as part of their every day work should be encrypted or private. The singular exception should be matters of national security, and even then their communications should be recorded in a secure manner with full accountability under the law if there's any suspicion of wrongdoing (e.g. lying to parliament about another countries WMDs).

Public office should be public.

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by rmc on Thursday October 15, 2015 @08:20AM (#10392662)
Imagine you are a whistleblower and want to leak data to the public. UK Libel and defamation law doesn't apply to things MPs say in the House, and MPs can much easier get press attention than some random blogger. Hence it makes sense to work with a sympatheic MP to get the information into the public sphere.

In this sense, the MP is acting more like a journalist with a source. The source should be protected.

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by spacecowboy_lon on Thursday October 15, 2015 @08:34AM (#10392712)
Why the convention is that constituents have the same privacy they would with their lawyer / doctor.

Would you raise issues with your representative if the tabloid press could harvest it and selectively quote you to monster you.

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by onion2k on Thursday October 15, 2015 @08:49AM (#10392791)
You're suggesting that MPs should be able to conduct business in secret in case the tabloid press lie about someone. Have you ever heard the phrase '2 wrongs don't make a right'?
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by vidarh on Thursday October 15, 2015 @09:36AM (#10393012)
No, he's suggesting that MPs should be able to conduct business in secret because portions of the public have concerns that they have good reason to raise with an MP yet where even the mere knowledge of the basics of the conversation might negatively affect their lives.

E.g. lets say a drug addict who has successfully managed hid their addiction wants to offer their perspective of new drug legislation to their MP. Or a paedophile who wants to gather support for promising treatment option. Or someone with family or community ties to extremists of some shade or the other wants to propose ways of reducing their influence.

There are a multitude of situations where there might be bad fallout from public knowledge about what a persons raises with their MP even if what they raised is positive for the wider community.

Yes, secrecy also allows for negative effects, but it's not nearly as simple as just writing off the benefits of being able to guarantee privacy.

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by spacecowboy_lon on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:02AM (#10393548)
And also if your talking to your mp about the local criminals you might not want the criminals to know that and come round and break your legs.

And of course in NI you might get much worse. As might a moderate reporting problems at a local Mosque

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by astazangasta on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:01AM (#10393540)
Anonymity does not require secrecy. See Reddit, 4chan, etc: open, anonymous communication.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by dragonwriter on Thursday October 15, 2015 @12:59PM (#10394314)
None of those are anonymous in the face of internet surveillance by entities like the GCHQ or NSA. They are superficially anonymous (or pseudonymous, which isn't the same thing) from the perspective of other users interacting through the intended public interface.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by vidarh on Thursday October 15, 2015 @02:27PM (#10394977)
It does if you want people to talk openly, without guarding every word for fear of giving away sufficient detail for someone to be able to identify them. And simply because a lot of people will be unable to trust you if the communication is monitored.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by spacecowboy_lon on Thursday October 15, 2015 @12:07PM (#10393951)
Err this is about a constituant talking to their MP you can not not anonymously lobby and MP
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by astazangasta on Thursday October 15, 2015 @12:16PM (#10394009)
Why not? Lobby your MP, have identifying details removed from the public record. We do it with all sorts of records with confidential or secret details.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by JupiterMoon on Thursday October 15, 2015 @12:22PM (#10394047)
Partly because of the rule that MPs are only supposed to deal with their own constituents. Therefore they require your name and address on communications...
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by JupiterMoon on Thursday October 15, 2015 @09:25AM (#10392961)
No she's stating that there is a long-standing convention that constituents are able to contact their MP in confidence and that this communication should be kept private to protect the constituent rather than the MP.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by rwmj on Thursday October 15, 2015 @09:35AM (#10393008)
There's a big difference between the power of a newspaper and the power of a constituent.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by unethical_ban on Thursday October 15, 2015 @10:35AM (#10393364)
Absolutely not.

Things that one may argue should be public: Financial backing of legislators, minutes of official meetings and hearings, votes, legal arguments for spying, and so on.

But the conversations occurring behind the scenes which ALWAYS facilitate dealmaking will never be public. It wil happen in backrooms of pubs if you insist they communicate via telnet.

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by derefr on Thursday October 15, 2015 @04:14PM (#10395674)
What will happen if you insist they wear a 24hr body-cam? (Not that this would ever go through, but imagine it.)
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by pjc50 on Thursday October 15, 2015 @09:42AM (#10393047)
Political parties need to have their own private communications in order to function; it's impossible to do strategy if you can't conceal your hand even slightly.

Treatment of constituents issues needs to be private as these are often sensitive and personal (housing, family law and benefits issues).

Official business should be on the record. In part the Alistair Carmichael trial is about the boundary between political and official.

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by dragonwriter on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:41AM (#10393780)
> Then it seems that MPs might need to start deploying and using crypto in their everyday work

They should probably do that, especially for anything sensitive, whether or not GCHQ monitoring them is legal, both because the GCHQ might do illegal things and because the GCHQ might not be the only entity surveilling them.

OTOH, given Parliamentary sovereignty, its fairly trivial for Parliament to deal with the problem that GCHQ monitoring of their communications is currently legal, and this doesn't seem to be something where just the opposition is unhappy (while the government has been positive on the ruling so far, at least some Conservative MPs have been quoted as concerned about the ruling in some of the published reports.)

Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by SturgeonsLaw on Thursday October 15, 2015 @06:26AM (#10392324)
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by 7952 on Thursday October 15, 2015 @07:18AM (#10392468)
Actually I think that MPs should be using encryption and if they adopted it as a result of this situation then that would be one positive outcome. Otherwise we quickly get to a point when the only possibility of privacy is if the communication is classified as secret by the government.
Re:GCHQ can monitor MPs' communications, court rules by gcb0 on Thursday October 15, 2015 @01:25PM (#10394520)
hell no.

I'm actually fine with that. in fact, public officials should probably use open communication. it's the save rule that allows my employer to read my work email as they wish.