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Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by Retra on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @01:49PM (#10382134)
One of the problems with the this process is that the information that would drive behavior-driven feedback is not usually correlated with the behaviors you use to interact with the environment. You apply for a bunch of jobs, maybe you'll hear nothing back, or when you do, it feels random and disjointed. I have a nice job, but I can't tell you that it's a result of hard work more than it is luck. I can tell you that all the people I have worked with have praised me for being highly valuable to them, but the people who didn't hire me... what impressions can I make of them?

That they don't know what they're doing? Or that I don't know what I'm doing? Neither of these is a morale booster.

Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by caskance on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @02:15PM (#10382344)
Or you could accept what most people learn in their first month of dating experience - that just because you're not right for each other doesn't mean there's something wrong with either of you.
Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by Retra on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @03:02PM (#10382690)
If "just get over it" were a solution, don't you think it would have worked by now? I don't think being flippant about people's lives is all that productive.
Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by bduerst on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @03:40PM (#10382948)
They're just saying that some skills typically come about with experience, and I don't think they're attacking you or unemployed people.

You talk about information being limited to job applicants, but interviewing is a two way street. Interviewers are human and also trying to sift through the information you deliver, and they tend to lean towards false negatives in order to avoid false positives.

Sometimes there is a gap and it really does come down to luck (or your experience in communicating during an interview).

Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by Retra on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @10:13AM (#10386690)
My concern is more that the information which would develop productive experiences is missing. Yes, learning comes from experience. But you can learn the wrong things when your experiences are bad. Applying for work often does more to reinforce learning the wrong things than it does reinforcing successful things.

It's a lot like having many failed relationships. It doesn't necessarily teach you to try harder, it often teaches you to become cynical and careless.

Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by caskance on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @03:05PM (#10382704)
No, of course not. Just as with the dating metaphor, there are a lot of people who will never be mature enough to accept that. But that's something they have to deal with themselves. I'm not their therapist. I can't "be productive" and help them fix their self-esteem issues.
Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by relevanttoad on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @02:18PM (#10382374)
>> You apply for a bunch of jobs, maybe you'll hear nothing back, or when you do, it feels random and disjointed.

Then apply for places where you actually see yourself wanting to work; even if it's McDonalds, people need to eat, a career in the food service industry might be rewarding if that's what you find you like doing.

Or join the military, every country needs a strong military.

Or join a non-profit, build a resume showing what you can and want to do and cut lawns for food money until you have a resume that you can use to get the job you want. You might find you like lawn care and start your own business and become very successful that way.

Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by matwood on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @05:20PM (#10383572)
> Or join the military, every country needs a strong military.

It's funny how looked down upon this is. If I said, hey come work for me for 4 years. During that time you will get paid, get lodging and likely do some traveling. Oh, and you'll learn some skills. If you want to go to college up front and be an MD for example, I'll go ahead and pay for that and you can work for me for 6 years after gaining valuable experience. If you don't go to college up front, then when you leave my job (you don't have to) I'll give you money for college.

Now, inevitably someone will say they don't want to be sent to a war zone. The % of the military that actually end up in a war zone is very small.

Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by derekp7 on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @06:14PM (#10383833)
What would be really nice is to have a non-military civil service option. So when someone graduates high school, they can still get a government job doing things like road construction or garbage collection, or even get trained on higher skilled areas. The only problem with this, is most of these activities are done by private companies that bid on contracts, so there is no room for a government organization to fill this role.
Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by joe5150 on Tuesday October 13, 2015 @08:12PM (#10384303)
It's perfectly reasonable to not want to work for the military in any capacity.
Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by matwood on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @01:40PM (#10388081)
Of course, like it is perfectly reasonable not to want to do any job. My point was that the military is a valid option that many people do not think about.
Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by Retra on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @09:28AM (#10386468)
Not everyone can join the military, and there are a lot of people that shouldn't.
Re:The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade... by matwood on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @01:41PM (#10388095)
At no point did I say everyone should join, but given the down votes my point stands that for some reason it is looked down upon. Joining the military can be a great option for many people.