What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech

Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by wtbob on Sunday October 11, 2015 @08:13PM (#10371771)

Did he actually say something terrible, or did he just commit a thoughtcrime in public? In this sort of discussion, one never knows. I didn't see the original comment, so I have no idea.

But, given the context of this discussion, I am concerned that there is a decent possibility that he wrote something not outrageous, but simply contrary to the current received wisdom of young Bay Area Californians.

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Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by rewqfdsa on Sunday October 11, 2015 @08:45PM (#10371877)

I vouched for wtbob's comment. It's important to air these concerns in public; some participants in debates on this topic quickly resort to censorship. I read the deleted comment, and in this instance, and in this instance, the deleted comment added nothing to the discussion.

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Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by patio11 on Sunday October 11, 2015 @08:19PM (#10371789)

You can see the comment by turning on show dead in your profile. I'll save you the trouble: it adds nothing to the discussion then uses a slur.

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Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by wtbob on Sunday October 11, 2015 @11:44PM (#10372418)

Ah, I didn't know that it was possible to show deleted posts (its been awhile since I looked at my preferences, I guess). Judging by the grammar, word choice and username I'd suspect that the author is not a native English-speaker.

I agree that in this case it doesn't really add much to the conversation, although I am a bit more forgiving if the author is indeed not a native English speaker.

I'm going to keep showdead on. There have been a number of cases in which I've seen comments moderated to oblivion where, from the quotes in child comments, I think that they were probably worth reading.

(Amusingly, HN has not let me post this for several hours, since I'm 'posting too fast')

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Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by mst on Sunday October 11, 2015 @08:40PM (#10371857)

Model/view/misandry et al's continued hatred of HN suggests to me that the moderation approach doesn't punish thoughtcrime qua thoughtcrime, only actually horrible stuff.

If you don't believe me, you're welcome to go look, but it's not an experience I'd recommend.

(edit: It occurs to me that the last sentence is unclear as to whether I'm referring to showdead or MVM; the answer is 'yes')

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Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by wtbob on Sunday October 11, 2015 @11:45PM (#10372422)

What's model/view/misandry? I googled it, but no luck.

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Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by rewqfdsa on Sunday October 11, 2015 @11:49PM (#10372438)

He means Model View Culture: [1] https://modelviewculture.com/

I think.

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Re:What Really Keeps Women Out of Tech by mst on Monday October 12, 2015 @02:30AM (#10372854)

I didn't expect the google results to be quite so utterly worthless; I am apparently the only person to've called them that anywhere indexed, only on twitter, and I only found the tweet by googling 'avoiceformanchildren' (I was in a lovely mood that day, apparently; being a relatively moderate libfem turns out to result in ending up angry at basically everybody).

Dear Google: Please up your game to compensate for my stupidity -- love, mst

Dear wtbob: Doh, sorry. What rewqfdsa++ said.

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