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Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by pinaceae on Friday October 09, 2015 @10:49PM (#10364266)
finally.

completely incomprehensible why they needed such a large headcount. ten times more than whatsapp would be ok - but not this behemoth.

all these designers do what exactly? ignore ipads, macs, etc.

i love twitter, use it constantly to follow journalists, vcs, basically to get faster news than any site. i hope twitter can be cut back to the bone.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by BinaryIdiot on Saturday October 10, 2015 @01:27AM (#10364619)
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted; their head count was absolutely insane. Yes Twitter has some insane needs for scaling but 4,100 employees for a 140 character service with some basic ads? Absolutely far too many.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by biggest_lou on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:00AM (#10364768)
Do you really think it's all just tweets and ads? Spoiler art: it's much, much, much more than that. Massive analytics stack, tons of distributed computing needs, lots of well-maintained OSS projects (Mesos, Aurora, Finagle, Pants, Bootstrap, Zipkin). I could name about 20 other things. The headcount may be a bit excessive but this is a caricature.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by beagle3 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @05:08AM (#10364951)
Those 4,100 people are not just facebooking all day. The question isn't whether they produced anything - it's whether it is actually needed to run twitter. And personally, I believe the answer is "not really".

As an example, they could have gone with Zurb Foundation instead of doing Bootstrap. They could have used (redo, cmake, tup, a hundred of other tools) instead of doing Pants.

If Twitter was non-profit, their breadth of products would have been awesome. But it's for-profit, and most of these projects are negative on the P&L summary, even if you favourably take into account intangibles like "help in recruiting people" and "coolness of brand".

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by BinaryIdiot on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:19AM (#10364795)
> Do you really think it's all just tweets and ads

No but that's the majority; I simplified on purpose but obviously they have far, far more people there than necessary.

> lots of well-maintained OSS projects (Mesos, Aurora, Finagle, Pants, Bootstrap, Zipkin)

As much as I love OSS it does not pay the bills.

Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by 27182818284 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @03:44AM (#10364842)
I have to jump in and side with the grandparent. Despite everything you just mentioned, if it isn't about "tweets and ads" I would contest that it is exactly about them. Do whatever you want back-end, but that doesn't matter if my front-end experience is not so great. For example, they are terrible with spam bots. I mean when super-model-quality photos suddenly follow me, and the bot is posting shortened URLs, it makes me feel like they aren't on the ball at all.
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by tomjen3 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @06:27AM (#10365087)
Well sure. I don't think many people think all those people were sitting around twiddling their thumbs all day, but none of those open source projects ultimately benefit Twitter. If those had been OS api clients it would seem prudent (except twitter doesn't like third party integrations any longer).
Re:Twitter Expected to Begin Layoffs and Stop Headquarters E... by pinaceae on Saturday October 10, 2015 @09:41AM (#10365475)
my guess this worldview on for-profit companies is google's fault.

google ads is funding the other google, which behaves like a non-profit. and it works, as their ad business is amazing.

but, it sets a really bad example to follow. twitter thought a long time they could operate like google it seems. time to bring back reality.