Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by Archio on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:35PM
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Are they really? If you are playing a song in your web browser, how did it get on your computer? Hint: your web browser downloaded it for you.
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Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by vaishaksuresh on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:49PM
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When you play in the browser, you are playing on youtube. when you download, you can play wherever you want. This is similar to saying I'll go record a movie from a cinema hall and watch it later at home since I paid for it.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by oldmanjay on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:58PM
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No it's just a simple, direct assessment of a situation. There is no technical difference between "streaming" or "downloading" the bytes. In each case, the exact same thing happens, the numbers are copied to the local machine. The distinctions are a legal fiction that doesn't actually have a reflection in the real reality, and as most imposed fictions end up, there is very little respect for the idea on the ground.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by vaishaksuresh on Thursday October 08, 2015 @04:12PM
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True, but at the end of streaming, the provider/browser clears the cache. The legality of it is debatable, but downloading copyright material is certainly not legal.
If someone visits me at home and uses my coffee-maker the action is same as taking it to his home and using, but only one of them is acceptable.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by c22 on Thursday October 08, 2015 @09:38PM
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Which one is acceptable? Someone breaking into your home to use your coffee maker or someone asking to borrow it for the weekend?
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by vaishaksuresh on Friday October 09, 2015 @04:18PM
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I did not say breaking in. That would be equivalent to hacking. If i'm home and I let my friend use my coffee-maker, that is analogous to youtube giving you a license to watch a video.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by c22 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @12:28PM
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I apologize for the confusion. I read your original comment to be a comparison between letting someone use your coffee maker (lending) and someone stealing your coffee maker which I believe is how you intended it. My comment was intentionally obtuse and was intended to highlight problems with your metaphor. I do not believe that letting a friend use my coffee maker is analogous to youtube granting me a license to watch a video. For instance, I have no desire to recoup my electricity costs by displaying advertising to my friend while she is making her coffee.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by vaishaksuresh on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @01:55PM
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Too bad you don't like monetizing. The metaphor is still valid.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by Tinyyy on Thursday October 08, 2015 @09:05PM
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Is the browser obliged to clear the cache?
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by nadams on Thursday October 08, 2015 @09:41PM
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Yes - see:
Cache-Control
Expires
max-age
See https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/performance/o...
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by Tinyyy on Friday October 09, 2015 @02:10AM
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But technically if you write your own browser, these are just guidelines and you don’t have to respect them, right?
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by vaishaksuresh on Friday October 09, 2015 @04:19PM
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Alright Einstein! make you'r own bump/skeleton key, break into people's home and take stuff.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by c22 on Saturday October 10, 2015 @12:33PM
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I don't think this is the same thing at all. If someone slides an envelope under my door that says "Please do not open" am I obliged to leave it sealed? What if I open it anyway and the contents advise me to destroy the message, am I obliged to do this?
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by vaishaksuresh on Tuesday October 20, 2015 @01:58PM
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What if you go to a friend's house (youtube) and see a letter that says do not read. But you whip out your camera phone, take a picture, come home and read?
The discussion is not about what is possible or should be done, it is about what is legal/moral.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by darkstar999 on Thursday October 08, 2015 @04:18PM
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When you watch a video on Youtube, you are essentially given a license to watch that content on their site. They show some ads and make some money. When you download, you are violating that license.
Re:Show HN: Download any song without knowing its name
by detaro on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:58PM
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Depends on the jurisdiction. Some make a explicit difference, e.g. German law speaks of (rough translation of the critical bits by myself) "temporary reproductions that are [...] integral and necessary part of a technical way of a) transmitting through a network [...]" which in practice means that streaming is ok in cases where explicit saving is not. For private use, downloading from not clearly non-legal streaming sources is fine though (again, in Germany)