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Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @03:58PM (#10348593)
> I’m going to personally donate $10 million

Statements like this always turn me off. I guess it's because it breaks the illusion that Sam and everyone else at YC are normal people like most of us. They're not. They're INSANELY wealthy by any reasonable standard.

Re:YC Research by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:02PM (#10348626)
I guess it's because it breaks the illusion that Sam and everyone else at YC are normal people like most of us.

Not to sound contemptuous, but are there really people out there who consider the folks running YC "normal people?"

Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:09PM (#10348692)
I feel like you're using "normal people" as pejorative. I meant it as "is able to relate to the day-to-day experience of most people in this country."
Re:YC Research by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:37PM (#10348904)
I'm definitely using it as you intended.

"the day-to-day experience of most people in this country" is nothing like any of the things Altman, PG, Livingston etc... experience on a daily basis.

Re:YC Research by outericky on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:05PM (#10349095)
I'd wager most HN readers can't relate to the day to day experience of most people in this country.
Re:YC Research by wtracy on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:42PM (#10349320)
A reminder about how most Americans actually live:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-th...

Re:YC Research by Nadya on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:44PM (#10349341)
It's strange to me the huge gap between $5-9k and "over $10k". I wonder if that gap has more to do with upper/middle class or young business owners vs working 9-5?
Re:YC Research by maxerickson on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @06:15PM (#10349499)
I would think it's a matter of the same behaviors that get someone to having $5,000 quickly get them to $10,000.

The buckets aren't well sized there.

Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:34PM (#10349275)
Also a problem.
Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:33PM (#10349271)
Exactly. And I think that's a huge problem.
Re:YC Research by kzhahou on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:53AM (#10351397)
Ya, or even "is able to relate to the day-to-day experience of most people who read Hacker News."

Sam's startup --like for many here-- was not a roaring success. Few of the entrepreneurs and engineers here on HN have an extra $10m in the bank after an experience like that.

Re:YC Research by cryoshon on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:03PM (#10349085)
Agreed. It's important to remember that sama is SV elite (tm) and can afford to throw his money after extremely ambitious and risky projects-- he isn't living the "normie" life. There's nothing wrong with that, but it can be a bit jarring to be reminded of it.

I still think that this is a great (fantastic and maybe even unprecedented, depending on how serious he is about the duration) move by YC, though. I really hope that they nail the concept of research being different from shipping products, though-- the mentality that research is a product that has to be shipped out has largely killed the scientific research community of academia, warping it into a horrendous paper-churn for survival.

Re:YC Research by unethical_ban on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:37PM (#10348899)
"turns me off" is a negative emotion. Does the realization that we're not all financially equal feel worse than the fact he's donating $10m to this cause?
Re:YC Research by Mz on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:42PM (#10349324)
I share some of your sentiment, yet...not. I was one of the top three students of my graduating high school class. I turned down a National Merit Scholarship, in part to go be "normal" and walk away from the sick inculcation with being an obnoxious brainiac and social outcast, hiding my insecurity and emotional pain over the social end of things behind a wall of contempt and superiority. I have managed to wash off a lot of that shit, but being a nobody for years and becoming quite poor -- even homeless -- has failed to make me normal by any stretch of the imagination. I have given up on being normal.

I still hope to find ways to put out useful information that will benefit people who are more "normal" than I am and I do have my concerns about the world being designed and run by so many people who absolutely cannot relate to the day-to-day experiences of most of their target audience/customers. But I don't know that hoping for "normal" people to do the design work is in any way useful.

I don't know what the answer is, but it seems like a lost cause to want people to do brilliant design work and also be normal. If you are that brilliant, you simply are not normal. Period.

Re:YC Research by majani on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:13PM (#10349132)
why would you want to be sheltered from such a basic fact of life? Anyway, if it's any consolation, 10m is probably not small change for Sam. His biggest liquidity event so far was 40m for Loopt, so 10m is definitely a considered investment for him. He probably wrote it in an off the cuff manner to set a precedent for the mentality towards the fund. Basically signaling to other investors not to think about putting money up too much since its such a worthy cause
Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:40PM (#10349311)
I wouldn't want to be sheltered from such a fact but being reminded of it is jarring and changes my feeling towards YC.
Re:YC Research by travv0 on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @10:23PM (#10350545)
Why would this change your feelings toward YC? I don't understand why, in yours eyes, someone's wealth would affect the validity of their contributions.
Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @11:13PM (#10350731)
Because it reminds me YC is yet another institution by wealthy designed to perpetuate their own wealth.
Re:YC Research by kzhahou on Thursday October 08, 2015 @03:57AM (#10351405)
There's an unfair implication there, as YC does want to improve the world (while making great wealth along the way).

It'd be more to the point to say that it's a reminder than YC is part of an institution where a small class of people (investors and founders) routinely take home millions, while rank and file employees (even with employee #1, 2, 3...) get to only watch as the CEO and investors play with their Maclarens and spend their millions on whatever they're passionate about.

Re:YC Research by vanessa98 on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @06:16PM (#10349508)
He got 40M from selling Loopt? Didn't Loopt raise 40M? How does Sam have 10M lying around?
Re:YC Research by majani on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @09:44PM (#10350389)
According to the press releases from the Loopt exit, they had raised 17m at that point, and 9.8m of the acquisition was the golden handcuff for the employees. So sama probably doesn't have 10m just lying around and is probably pulling some financial acrobatics to get it, but he's putting on a brave face by quoting the amount nonchalantly.
Re:YC Research by argumentum on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:47PM (#10348973)
If it's any consolation, they were "normal people" before they became insanely wealthy. If anything, that's the point of YC .. to give "normal people" with intellect, determination and good ideas the chance to become "insanely wealthy" while improving the world.
Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:38PM (#10349294)
I'd probably argue that it's a bad thing for anyone to have the chance to be "insanely wealthy."
Re:YC Research by djhn on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @11:30PM (#10350770)
"I wish everyone had the chance, but nobody would use it" could be better.
Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @11:48PM (#10350803)
That's an excellent point. Would love to chat with you more about it, but I don't see contact info in your profile. Feel free to hit me up at [email protected].
Re:YC Research by oldmanjay on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @06:54PM (#10349708)
Wow, please do make that argument. I'm dying to see it.
Re:YC Research by rudolf0 on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:07PM (#10348667)
I'm not quite sure who would have that illusion. The executives of investment companies (which is essentially what YC is, albeit a little bit different) tend to be wealthy.
Re:YC Research by Imscaredofsama on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:46PM (#10349353)
The whole sama thing doesn't compute for me and has negatively impacted my otherwise stellar view of YC.

He dropped out of Stanford, founded Loopt (which raised $30 million and then acqui-sold for $43 -- and I'm sure Sequoia got the bulk of it), was then made a YC partner and finally appointed president. His Wikipedia page says he's made some angel investments in successful companies like AirBNB, but my question is: "With what money?" Maybe he sold some private shares of these companies at some point. There's nothing wrong with that. But again where did the original money come from? Family?

I just don't get it. Please explain to me how dropping out of college and having your only startup fail leads to (a) being handed one of the most prestigious and influential positions in SV and (b) having so much money you can donate $10 million dollars like it's chump change. How does that make any sense in this universe?

pg started YC and deserves all the credit for basically inventing the accelerator archetype. He can do whatever he wants and I guess he thought sama was the best guy for the job. Maybe he is. Heck, I'll even admit that I think he's done a good job so far, although I also think plenty of people would be equally adept at watching a golden goose lay eggs.

I think SV -- and YC especially -- perpetrate a few huge myths which cause people to have unrealistic expectations of their lives and ventures. ("There aren't enough engineers!", for example. Just last week, sama was saying how easy it is to live in SV if you work at Facebook, make a $150k+ salary and got a $75k signing bonus... a situation he was pawning off as "average" but is actually highly above average.) These lofty, then unfulfilled expectations then cause depression in vast amounts of people, both inside the Valley and out.

To me, sama is a colossal SV myth, incarnate. "Look! If you're smart enough, you can rocket to the moon! Even if you drop out of school and your only startup fails!"

I don't understand the full story, apparently, but I just hope people aren't fooled. There is more than meets the eye, here.

Re:YC Research by sama on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @08:05PM (#10350016)
This is worth answering.

I made single-digit millions from the Loopt acquisition. Almost all the money I've made has been as an investor. I got lucky in that the first few investments I made in 2009 (very small dollar amounts) were really good, so I was able to raise capital to keep investing at a much larger scale with other peoples' money. I didn't have much liquidity until last year.

Takeaway 1: the easiest, lowest-risk way in the world to make a lot of money is to get fees for investing other peoples' money.

Takeaway 2: if you make money that way I think you should give a lot of it away.

Takeaway 3: FWIW this is a lot of money for me, but it's what I most want to support.

As a side note, I was pointing out that living in SV is becoming possible only if you get a job like that one, and that that's really a problem.

Re:YC Research by Imscaredofsama on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @08:34PM (#10350125)
I respect the fact that you took a moment to add some clarity. Obviously you have a good sense for politics -- you know this is something people need to understand.

But hot damn! If you've been so successful people are literally having a hard time believing it's true... that's... that's... I don't even know.

Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @11:44PM (#10350798)
I personally like 'sama and really appreciate his transparency, but this seems like a perfect example of the rich getting richer.
Re:YC Research by projectileboy on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @09:01PM (#10350225)
If you haven't noticed the acceleration of YC from the moment Sam took over, I feel like you've not really been paying attention. From scaling up the numbers, to outreach to females and minorities, to the increased transparency, and the YC Fellowship and now this, you really believe you're just watching someone collect golden eggs? Do you realize how hard it is to grow a community? And how easy it is to screw it up? If Paul Graham was Steve Jobs, then Sam Altman is Tim Cook, and more.
Re:YC Research by Imscaredofsama on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @09:21PM (#10350301)
The golden goose thing was obviously an exaggeration. I think he's done a good job. And I'm sure the pressure is intense. I definitely couldn't do it.

But the older I've gotten, the more I've realized that life is about opportunities. If you want them, you have to put yourself in the position to get them (as sama did). More importantly, you have to make the best of them (as sama has). But many, many people who don't deserve opportunities get them (inheritance, for example) and many, many people who do deserve them, don't get them. They did all the right things... they simply were never given a shot by bosses, would-be cofounders, investors, etc. (Cue "Lose Yourself".)

A question I've been pondering a lot recently is the power of talent and whether or not it'll eventually rise to the top. How efficient is our society at finding "the best"? I tend to believe that someone as ridiculously talented as, say, Elton John, will always emerge. But then you hear the story of how someone like Matthew McConaughey was discovered (director of Dazed and Confused found him in a bar at 2am and said come to the set tomorrow -- zero acting experience) and you want to slap yourself.

And if you get into the genetic and familial lotteries (how smart you are, how good looking you are, are you black?, etc), then you'll just go completely crazy when you realize how unfair the world is.

In any case, from his answer, it looks like sama is a talented guy who put himself in the right position to succeed and is now an outlier on the normal curve. Good for him. It's gotta be somebody, might as well be him.

Re:YC Research by nostrademons on Thursday October 08, 2015 @10:51PM (#10357876)
Marc Andreesen wrote much the same in his career planning guide, 8 years ago:

http://pmarchive.com/guide_to_career_planning_part1.html

Anyway, if you would like any more than baseline success (where baseline success = working really hard to get into a profession with barriers to entry, like lawyer or doctor), you will have to deal with risk and uncertainty. You can't account for life without accounting for luck.

But life is long, and over the long-term, luck has a way of averaging out. And then the big question is how well did you capitalize on the luck you were given? A lot of people put themselves in positions where they have no chance of getting lucky, because they don't like the vulnerability and uncertainty that comes with realizing just how much of their life comes down to luck. That pretty much guarantees that they'll only be exposed to the unlucky events.

Re:YC Research by pw on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @11:05PM (#10350714)
Yes, I think most people discount what a huge role luck plays in success.
Re:YC Research by NhanH on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @06:19PM (#10349527)
I was surprised at the $10 millions number at first, but a quick thought process clear it out for me: it's very easy to see that a few of YC founders will be (or already are) billionaires. Is it really a surprised that the head honcho of YC might be worth in the hundred millions range?
Re:YC Research by muyfine on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @06:29PM (#10349588)
Completely agree. Would love to understand the money here - think it would provide a lot of perspective on how the technology financing community works.
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Re:YC Research by yannyu on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:21PM (#10348798)
If he is donating, why should he be obligated to donate it to some other charitable cause? Should humanity only focus on one problem at a time?
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Re:YC Research by giarc on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:22PM (#10349207)
You're getting downvotes because you are assuming that the research will be focused on something that won't impact humans in some "charitable" way.

>I think it's very interesting phenomenon that he values this research more than the lives of other people,

It's possible to make a donation to research something that isn't curing cancer for example but still impact the lives of people.

Re:YC Research by mhartl on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:41PM (#10348926)
This is a charitable cause. My guess is that YCR-sponsored organizations will be involved in the kinds of projects that might affect world hunger, etc.