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Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by sokoloff on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @01:32PM (#10340684)
Fair question. I'd respond two ways:

1. You can still (as a user) avail yourself of user of AWS (aka "you") controlled encryption for most of the relevant data at rest.

2. There is still a legal hurdle for the US to provide a subpoena for data which doesn't reside in the US to be brought into the US and provided. I'm no legal expert, but I doubt that's going to be as simple as "because we said we want to look at it" as this is an issue of sovereignty of the counterpart nation, particularly given that the EU high court has just ruled that the export of this data is contrary to EU law.

Of the two, #1 has significant mathematical assurance.

Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by geofft on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @01:52PM (#10340858)
#1 doesn't really help if you also want to use EC2, Lambda, etc.

#2 assumes that the US national security apparatus is playing by international law, which the EU may not want to assume. Like the EU cookie law, regardless of the intentions behind the ruling/law, what matters for me as a developer is what the law thinks I should do to protect my users, not what I think I should do.

Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by sokoloff on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @02:03PM (#10340958)
If you want to use lambda, going to a small EU-based cloud provider also doesn't work...
Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by geofft on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @06:39PM (#10342920)
Yeah, but there's unfortunately a difference between wanting to use Lambda and needing to use Lambda, and I'm pretty sure that even an EU court can tell the difference. "We hosted in America because only Amazon supports Lambda." "OK, and what does Lambda do?" "It runs code for us when we tell it to." "And there are no European services that run code for you when you tell them to?" "Uhh...."
Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by sokoloff on Thursday October 08, 2015 @11:18AM (#10353294)
Agreed. I missed making my point.

My point was that when you're considering what technology/hosting/cloud provider to use, you are balancing a variety of factors and very few people should weigh "can be attacked legally by the US govt" with weight of 1.0 and all other factors with weight 0.0.

Some businesses will weigh the US risk as 0.1; others at 0.001 and even those that weigh it at 0.1 might be better off choosing a provider with a higher risk of that in exchange for a richer catalog of building block services.