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Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by gozo on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @11:47AM (#10339660)
We are dealing with the consequences of not taking this very seriously for the last decade. It's not good enough to just hope that the Internet will remain free in the face of legitimate concerns.

Yes, it's a concern that the Internet won't be global anymore, but it never really was. Up until thing like Firesheep and Snowden, and still to some extent, a lot of Internet traffic was only safe based on not passing any bad actors.

Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by the_mitsuhiko on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @12:48PM (#10340220)
> Yes, it's a concern that the Internet won't be global anymore, but it never really was.

So we're willing to throw all this interconnection away, the one thing that made the internet the place it is? The interconnected nature of the internet is what made me the person I am today. I have more friends from other countries than I have friends from my own and from my friendship circles I know I'm not the only one.

Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by gozo on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @01:58PM (#10340918)
Not taking legitimate concerns seriously and securing the Internet we want is what is going to throw away the positive things about the Internet. Something that isn't technically secure nor robust in the face of arguments is bound to change
Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by thaumasiotes on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @09:00PM (#10343521)
> Up until thing like Firesheep and Snowden, and still to some extent, a lot of Internet traffic was only safe based on not passing any bad actors.

So what? "Only safe based on not encountering bad actors" is far and away the dominant mode of security everywhere. It's what keeps your house unburgled, your planes in the air, and your family alive. Breaking into a house, taking down a plane, and murdering strangers all require very little in the way of skill or planning. Burglary and murder are also unlikely to be caught (absent a connection to the victim).

Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by pdonis on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @11:32PM (#10344073)
> it's a concern that the Internet won't be global anymore

Why not? Facebook, or some other centralized cloud service, is not the only way you have of using the Internet.

Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by kijin on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @01:37AM (#10344340)
Exactly.

If the end of Safe Harbor spells disaster for all those centralized cloud services, that might actually turn out to be a good thing for the Internet in the long term.

We often think of decentralized peer-to-peer networks as a rebellious technology, something we need to develop in order to evade oppressive laws in an increasingly dystopian world. But what if decentralization becomes the only legal way to create and maintain a global social network? That would be ironic but also deeply satisfying.

My only worry is that this ruling might not spell enough of a disaster to shake up the VCs' faith in the centralized cloud.

Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @02:40AM (#10344542)
I don't feel going back to the old days of borders everywhere is a good idea.
Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by spaceSub on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @05:02AM (#10344920)
In the face on inaceptable laws and regulations it can't be helped. We can't just wipe any political discourse with this sentence.
Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by bediger4000 on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @06:20PM (#10342825)
And by "bad actors" you mean folks like NSA, GCHQ and FSB, right? Oh, and Unit 8200.
Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by freehunter on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @09:26PM (#10343614)
"Bad actors" includes all bad actors, and the parent explicitly called out both major bad actors (hackers and governments). Not sure what more you want by demanding a clarification.
Re:The End of Safe Harbor and a Scary Path Forward by rdancer on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @07:50PM (#10343226)
Yes