Re:Programming Sucks and Why I Quit (2014)
by mistermann on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @11:47AM
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> become less like a gentleman's race and more like a cage fight. The primary mode of interaction has shifted from collaboration to competition.
Man does this resonate...for the last several years now I have recurring encounters of people in programming having no interest in doing or discovering what's Right, but rather only concerned about Winning petty arguments, pushing their agenda/tool/framework. The culture of programming to me feels largely corrupt. Or maybe I'm just in a bad mood for the last few years.
Re:Programming Sucks and Why I Quit (2014)
by eterm on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @11:06AM
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> measurably
Do you have some measurements to back this up? I could believe it's true, but you shouldn't say something is measurably worse and then not provide those measurements.
Re:Programming Sucks and Why I Quit (2014)
by notacoward on Tuesday October 06, 2015 @11:15AM
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Re:Programming Sucks and Why I Quit (2014)
by eterm on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:14AM
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Thank you.
Re:Programming Sucks and Why I Quit (2014)
by deirdresm on Wednesday October 07, 2015 @04:18PM
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It was 18 years before I worked with another female software engineer peer.
I don't think most men in the industry can imagine what that would be like.
Re:Programming Sucks and Why I Quit (2014)
by notacoward on Thursday October 08, 2015 @08:56AM
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I don't think I've worked with a female developer peer either. Those women twenty-five years ago (I erred in saying it was only twenty) were senior to me. What's really scary is that we do have a few female developers on my team now . . . in Bangalore. Here in the US, we've actually fallen behind in terms of maintaining an environment that's appealing to developers who aren't young, (culturally) white, and male. That does not augur well for our future.
On the other hand, that doesn't explain everything. As the computing industry has become bigger and more lucrative, it has also become less like a gentleman's race and more like a cage fight. The primary mode of interaction has shifted from collaboration to competition. There are always more projects in any given space, creating more factions each more determined to sling FUD at each other so that their project and their investment in it stay relevant. There are more sub-sub-domains of knowledge, with those on the peaks of each sneering at the others. The environment for women has become measurably worse than it used to be; I worked with a higher percentage of women on Encore's kernel team twenty years ago than I do now even at Red Hat. It's a nasty, aggression-soaked environment, and anybody who doesn't believe that must not have read the other comments on this very page. I can tell you, it didn't used to be that way.
Programming as an activity has its ups and downs. Programming as a career has started to just plain suck.