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Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by littletimmy on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:19PM (#10324562)
What we really need is a limit on advertising. Corporations manufacturing packaged sugar like coke, cereal etc. should not be able to manipulate young children to get them addicted to their crap. Sell this stuff in plain white boxes, ban advertising to young children, and in general, limit the free speech of soulless legal fictions when they target children.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by PKop on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:31PM (#10324608)
Young children don't do the grocery shopping. Parents need to take responsibility and not buy unhealthy food for their kids. I'd say children up to a certain age are drinking this stuff simply because their parents bought it for them (How else?).

Plus, "when they target children" would simply become harder to define as companies would modify their ads, but the problem would remain if parents aren't taking an active role in educating their children themselves as to what is unhealthy, and making purchasing decisions that are healthy, instead of depending on the government (or corporate advertising) to do it for them.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by sambull on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:37PM (#10324635)
I sure did, and when I was 11 years old we had soda machines at our public school. Sold soda at the lunch counter, and had free soda give away days where the distributor would hand out free new/trial products.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by kachnuv_ocasek on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:34PM (#10324619)
Kids can buy whatever they want if they have money. And surely, they'll buy the shiny thing thing they saw on TV or the internet when they encounter it in the shop and see it's cheap.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by PKop on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:40PM (#10324655)
Again, kids won't do "whatever they want" if their parents do their job and instill proper discipline, education, and consequences for behavior that they don't want.

If you want the government to do your parenting for you, I don't know what to tell you. Not my idea of good parenting, and I think the results will be disappointing. We can agree to disagree on that.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by wpietri on Saturday October 03, 2015 @03:08PM (#10324990)
> Again, kids won't do "whatever they want" if their parents do their job and instill proper discipline, education, and consequences for behavior that they don't want.

Clearly you aren't a parent, and I suspect you also have never been a child. It would be handy if what you wrote were true. But children aren't robots, and parents aren't the only people who influence them. The reason that food companies target children in their advertising is that it works to manipulate them.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by m_fayer on Saturday October 03, 2015 @05:04PM (#10325369)
I don't want the government doing my parenting for me but Lord knows I would love the government to help
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by littletimmy on Saturday October 03, 2015 @02:24PM (#10324847)
The government is not doing "parenting". It is protecting from manipulation. Big difference.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by Nimitz14 on Saturday October 03, 2015 @07:38PM (#10325851)
I'm really surprised how many pro statists there are arguing against you. Feel sorry for their children.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by ScottWhigham on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:40PM (#10324652)
When it comes to "Where do children get their food while at home?", I think it's fair to say they get 90+% of it from "Whoever does the grocery shopping".
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by wpietri on Saturday October 03, 2015 @03:06PM (#10324978)
This isn't a binary choice. Parents and advertisers can both take responsibility for what they are doing. Power and responsibility go together. And there's no denying food advertising is powerful; if it weren't, we wouldn't be enduring many billions of dollars worth every year.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by andyfleming on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:28PM (#10324593)
Regulating advertising then gives control to whatever organization makes those decsisions. Are their interests always going to be in alignment with our own?
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by bufordsharkley on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:38PM (#10324637)
From working in a non-commercial radio station for years-- I think applying non-commercial criteria is pretty easy:

1) No mentioning of prices 2) No calls to action 3) No aggrandizement of product. Underwriting can be a neutrally-worded description of product.

I've really come to believe that all media that could be described as public (the outdoors, network television, radio, perhaps much more...) should abide by these rules, insofar as commercial advertising pollutes it horribly.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by andyfleming on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:30PM (#10324600)
What we really need is education. Children and adults alike should better understand nutrition and what they are putting in their bodies. It's no secret that soda and so many other drinks are packed with sugar, but no one seems to care or understand.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by orangecat on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:41PM (#10324658)
It's no secret that soda and so many other drinks are packed with sugar, but no one seems to care or understand.

Or they do understand, and are willing to make the tradeoff. I'm about to order a pizza. It will be unhealthy, and also delicious.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by simoncion on Saturday October 03, 2015 @08:22PM (#10325931)
> It's no secret that soda and so many other drinks are packed with sugar, but no one seems to care or understand.

I both care and understand.

The fact that soda is an easily-consumable, relatively cheap, energy-dense, decent-tasting liquid foodstuff is why I purchase it.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by PopeOfNope on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:55PM (#10324709)
What we really need is fewer people speculating about what other people need. Follow in the footsteps of your forefathers[0] and mind your own damned business.

[0]: http://rivergrandrapids.com/the-first-official-us-coin-said-...

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by wpietri on Saturday October 03, 2015 @03:10PM (#10325000)
You realize that the advertising industry, which clears north of $200 billion a year in the US, is entirely devoted to manipulating what other people need, right? If those people will stop trying to mind (and control) everybody else's business, there'd be a much smaller problem here.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by PopeOfNope on Saturday October 03, 2015 @06:25PM (#10325633)
You realize people are going to do what people are going to do.

The only thing you can really control is yourself and your reactions to things. I don't watch TV, read newspapers, watch football games, browse the web without an ad blocker, or live in a city. I haven't seen an ad in years. When I do venture into the city, I recognize that I must have seen ads, but I can't recall what any of them were; I'm too busy thinking about other things.

Stop blaming other people and focus on yourself.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by wpietri on Sunday October 04, 2015 @12:53AM (#10326499)
If people were going to do what they were going to do, then advertising wouldn't exist. And you wouldn't be commenting here. Influence matters.

As for your advice to focus on one's self, maybe you should try taking it.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by PopeOfNope on Sunday October 04, 2015 @01:44PM (#10328154)
I'm commenting here for the lulz. Why are you?
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by wpietri on Monday October 05, 2015 @11:24AM (#10332387)
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by PopeOfNope on Monday October 05, 2015 @02:58PM (#10333985)
You don't have to be anonymous to prove the comic correct. Thanks for demonstrating. :)
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by yincrash on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:23PM (#10324577)
where do you draw the line? should all food be sold in white boxes with plain lettering?
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by littletimmy on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:42PM (#10324661)
We'll have to draw, as in most things, an arbitrary line by consensus. Spinach is on one side, sugar on another, Milk is on spinach's side, tobacco on sugar's, and so on.

This is stuff that we should decide as a society to keep ourselves safe from corporate psychopaths.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by tomjen3 on Saturday October 03, 2015 @04:46PM (#10325292)
Considering that more people are afraid of Aspartame than sugar, I rather not have a "consensus".
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by yincrash on Saturday October 03, 2015 @02:21PM (#10324841)
I suspect consensus will be very very hard when it comes to food.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by blumkvist on Saturday October 03, 2015 @04:48PM (#10325299)
There is a popular theory that diary based products are bad for health. Who decides the sides and how does he make the decision?
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by duckmysick on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:57PM (#10324722)
Why not? In fact, why not go even further and enforce that all websites have only a black serif (or monospace) font on a white background? No more screaming colors, moving parts, confusing adverts - just plain content.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by blumkvist on Saturday October 03, 2015 @04:50PM (#10325308)
I laughed heartedly thinking this is sarcasm. Then became gloomy to mildly irritated when I realized it's probably not.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by the-dude on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:32PM (#10324615)
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by lfjmfkekdk on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:28PM (#10324591)
That will certainly not pass the first amendment test.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by kachnuv_ocasek on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:36PM (#10324628)
Two clicks from the 'First amendment' Wikipedia article led me to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_Unite... So yeah, it might pass.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by lfjmfkekdk on Saturday October 03, 2015 @02:18PM (#10324826)
Well, not exactly. Tobacco advertising bans, aside from TV and radio, were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92990&page=1

You can ban it from TV and radio if there's a compelling government interest but even the head medical chied of the ADA says there is no definitive proof that sugar causes diabetes. (See my link above)

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by kachnuv_ocasek on Saturday October 03, 2015 @03:46PM (#10325096)
Sure. I'm just saying it's not completely ruled out.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by ScottWhigham on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:37PM (#10324634)
I'm not sure what the 'first amendment test' is when it comes to corporate advertising but our government already limits how alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and marijuana can be advertised. We also limit what and how things can be advertised to children. So I'm not really sure your sentence is correct.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by lfjmfkekdk on Saturday October 03, 2015 @02:43PM (#10324916)
Well if you wanted a ban on advertising sugary cereal to kids, you would have to pass the "Central Hudson" test. You would have to prove a compelling government interest to ban the ads to children. The ADA chief medical scientist has already said there is no conclusive proof that sugary food causes diabetes. Also I don't know if you've seen any kids cereal commercials recently, but they're not making deceptive claims (like "eating this cereal will make you healthier").

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/commerc...

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by ScottWhigham on Saturday October 03, 2015 @07:25PM (#10325813)
We're all just commenting on your vague original comment. If you wanted to add context, that was the time to do it - not later as a defense of your original comment. You've specifically focused on "sugary cereal" in your comment to me - okay, that's fine. But your original comment was in reply to a much broader comment yet you decided to just make a blanket statement.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by littletimmy on Saturday October 03, 2015 @01:40PM (#10324654)
The first amendment shouldn't really apply to corporations. We already limit the advertising of tobacco, for example. Sugar is as harmful.
Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by rhino369 on Saturday October 03, 2015 @08:21PM (#10325928)
>The first amendment shouldn't really apply to corporations.

Should the feds be able to shut down Hackernews? It's a corporation. NY Times? It's a corporation.

The distinction you want to make is commercial speech should be able to be regulated. And it is. False advertising is illegal but lying about politics is a first amendment right.

Also, sugar isn't harmful in moderation.

Plus the science of diet is hilariously poorly understood. 15 years ago people would have been trying to ban fatty food. Now all the sudden fat is good?

And that goes triple for popular diet advice. It's all fads. We still can't figure out a diet that works for whole population long term.

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by lfjmfkekdk on Saturday October 03, 2015 @02:46PM (#10324929)
That's not true. There is a scientific consensus on cigarettes and lung cancer. There is certainly no scientific consensus on sugar and diabetes/cancer.

If the first amendment should apply to corporations, should the New York Times be restricted on what articles it can print? What about the movie documentaries you see on Netflix?

Re:The Decline of ‘Big Soda’ by ScottWhigham on Saturday October 03, 2015 @07:23PM (#10325805)
Sugar is as harmful

I think that sort of hyperbole isn't helping any arguments against sugar. No need to ratchet up the rhetoric - this is already a hot topic. Sugar is bad, yes, but if it was thought to be "as harmful" as tobacco it would have warning labels and you'd have to be a certain age to use it.