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Re:Why Fogbugz lost to Jira by eikenberry on Thursday October 01, 2015 @04:27PM (#10314418)
> This meant they couldn't use all of the ecosystem and amazing tooling around Java [...]

Does anyone else get the same confused feeling whenever they read things like this? Every experience I've had with the Java/JVM ecosystem has been anything but amazing to the point where I now avoid it like the plague. I can't believe I'm that much different than everyone else, but I see this often enough that it makes me wonder.

Re:Why Fogbugz lost to Jira by mindcrime on Thursday October 01, 2015 @05:22PM (#10314837)
Every experience I've had with the Java/JVM ecosystem has been anything but amazing to the point where I now avoid it like the plague.

Nope, just the opposite here. The JVM ecosystem is hands-down my preferred environment for building / deploying pretty much anything.

"Different strokes for different folks" and all that...

Re:Why Fogbugz lost to Jira by ZeroBugBounce on Thursday October 01, 2015 @04:32PM (#10314461)
Well, I can see it compared to writing and maintaining your own language + all associated tools.

I feel like Java is a "choose your own adventure" type thing. You can opt out of a lot of the bad, in my limited experience.

Re:Why Fogbugz lost to Jira by vacri on Thursday October 01, 2015 @07:01PM (#10315422)
In the context of the article, java is not being compared against the pool of all available languages, but specifically against the in-house language Wasabi.