I'm not sure how many experts in how many areas of the actual phones and phone oses we are talking about have to keep telling you you are wrong before you start believing it (so far, looking at this thread, it stands at 3), but given your demeanor, as i stated, i don't really have an interest in continuing this conversation.

The fact that your response to someone like swetland is "Not to mention that their comment is simply dated and wrong now regardless." is hilariously arrogant and amazing.

I'll just continue to find it funny that you want to cite chip manufacturers (who uh, might be slightly self-serving in selling their architectures, and produce zero actual phones except for samsung. Except, of course, that the division of samsung that produces the phones is separate and does not really talk to the chip making division. I'm sure you know this), when i am talking about the actual qualification and testing of real world phones, and not "whatever random crap they made up to put in their marketing material".

You can try to gussy that up as "actual field observations of SOC vendors" or whatever, but that just shows further ignorance in how SOC vendors actually operate.

Again, I urge you: Buy an evaluation board or two. They are cheap. Put an OS on them. Try out what you claim is true. Measure the power draw. I think you will be surprised.

Have a good one!

To an outsider that doesn't know much about phone architecture:

1) I can easily envision a scenario where he really is an expert but is not necessarily allowed to come out and say "I am a senior embedded systems engineer working for XYZ Mobile Devices" and has years of experience and is sitting there laughing at you. I should know because there are a couple of completely unrelated subjects that get widely discussed on the internet where I am an expert but can't just flat out state all my qualifications. I try to contribute sometimes in discussions about these subjects but often people say I have no idea what I'm talking about.

2) You seem to believe that he cannot possibly be an expert. He disagrees, and offers no absolute proof (and really, does he have to do that? Why can't we just be nice to each other).

3) I am embarrassed for you because you have seemed to be very mean and dismissive. Even if you're right, using phrases like "You are a Hacker News "Expert" and a bore" and "Save the world from your ignorance" just makes me feel that you're being rude.

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