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Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by rmc on Friday September 25, 2015 @06:06AM (#10277207)
"RESOURCES.md" ( https://github.com/delight-im/FreeGeoDB/blob/master/RESOURCE... ) includes OpenStreetMap, which is licenced under the Open Database Licence (ODbL). You cannot relicence it under the Apache licence. I've raised an issue ( https://github.com/delight-im/FreeGeoDB/issues/1 )
Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by marco1 on Friday September 25, 2015 @06:16PM (#10281047)
That's just miscommunication caused by us, sorry! The "RESOURCES.md" does only contain helpful links and generic resources for working with map/geo data. We thought this could be helpful.

The actual source along with the complete build process is described in "SOURCE.md". Sorry for possibility of confusion!

Not sure if we should remove "RESOURCES.md" altogether or just rename it to make clear what these links actually are.

Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by funkysquid on Friday September 25, 2015 @02:16PM (#10279741)
It seems like OpenStreetMap is not actually the source for the data - https://github.com/delight-im/FreeGeoDB/issues/1#issuecommen...
Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by marco1 on Friday September 25, 2015 @06:09PM (#10281022)
This is true! Thank you!
Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by maze-le on Friday September 25, 2015 @06:35AM (#10277300)
What if you make extracts, reprojections or create a new dataset from a ODbL-Licensed resources (or even more Licenses, depending on the number of datasets you use to create a new one), can you relicense it then?
Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by Doctor_Fegg on Friday September 25, 2015 @06:57AM (#10277396)
This is known as a "Derivative Database" and so ODbL still applies. It's a classic share-alike/copyleft licence, with the wrinkle that it has to use copyright, database rights, and contract law because database protection varies across legislations. See http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ .
Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by rmc on Friday September 25, 2015 @08:36AM (#10277763)
> It's a classic share-alike/copyleft licence

A big difference from a CC-SA licence is that it is possible to make a produced work from OSM data and all you have to do is attribute OSM, there is no share-alike requirement. In this way, the OSM ODbL is less restrictive than a standard share-alike licence.

The main example of that is making a map image. You can make a map image from 100% OSM data, and that image doesn't have to be share-alike.

If you create a database as is the case of FreeGeoDB (and perhaps if you use OSM to geocode another database), then share-alike applies.

Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by jumperjake on Friday September 25, 2015 @11:11AM (#10278598)
I don't understand. If I produce a map image with all the details I'm interested in, and publish it, then use opencv to extract the data from that image into a database, would I be free to license the resulting database as a I wish?
Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by rmc on Friday September 25, 2015 @03:08PM (#10280057)
I don't know. Ask a lawyer or judge. You can read the licence http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/ and look at the definitions of "Produced work" (a map) or "Derivative Database".

In practice, no-one's really done that or likely to do it. Either you'd do something silly like make the map a SVG with all data encoded as textual attributes and your "Computer Vision Algorithm" is basically grep (in which case it would probably be seen as a Derivative Database), or do real CV on a real image, which is very hard to do and will result in bad results. It's sufficiently hard that no-one's worried about it.

If you really don't like the OSM licence, you are free to go to another map data provider, pay them what they charge and agree to whatever they want, and get something else. If you want OSM, agree to OSM's terms.

Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by marco1 on Friday September 25, 2015 @06:12PM (#10281036)
Interesting question! You've got the replies already. Just wanted to clarify that this issue does not affect FreeGeoDB.
Re:Show HN: Free database of geographic place names and geos... by rmc on Friday September 25, 2015 @08:33AM (#10277750)
No. That's a derived database, and would be under ODbL.