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Re:Ask the algorithm: Human wealth advisers are going out of... by Spooky23 on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @03:01PM (#10267263)
Averages hide all sorts of detail. I spend about 2 hours a week in investment activity and have never had a year where my active portfolio beat the vanguard 401k plan.

If you were the "average" 30-something index investor in 2008, you took a bath. I made a boatload of money, because I commited the cardinal sin of market timing and bought a bunch of stuff cheap with the cash position that I maintain.

People abandon human advisors because their liability issues result in bland advice that you can get for $0 from the Charles Schwab newsletter, unless you are qualified investor.

Re:Ask the algorithm: Human wealth advisers are going out of... by twiceaday on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @04:17PM (#10267857)
Index investors didn't take a bath because they didn't sell anything, thats' the point. The markets bounced back higher than before. The biggest losers were most definitely active traders, like you. And simply looking at one anecdote around one of the biggest market crashes without considering the magnitude of risk you took upon yourself is just naive.
Re:Ask the algorithm: Human wealth advisers are going out of... by Spooky23 on Thursday September 24, 2015 @08:26AM (#10271190)
Who said that risk wasn't considered? I've been doing this successfully since 1996, without any magical skills or unusual intelligence. I personally probably make 12-15 trades a year, I'm not talking about day trading.

Passive strategies have costs as well. Ask somebody with all of their money in VTI from 2001-2006.

Educating yourself and being opportunistic about seeking best value introduces risk but also unique opportunities. Personally, I like to realize gains over time and keep them liquid until a good opportunity presents itself.

Re:Ask the algorithm: Human wealth advisers are going out of... by shostack on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @04:32PM (#10267956)
Out of curiosity--if you have consistently failed to find alpha over the Vanguard 401k plan, why do you continue with this approach? Not criticizing--genuinely curious.

Unless you really enjoy the time you spend doing it, seems like the opportunity cost of that 104 hrs/yr might be a bit steep both in terms of the cost of the time itself and the lost earnings from not having it with Vanguard's plan.

Re:Ask the algorithm: Human wealth advisers are going out of... by Spooky23 on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @06:44PM (#10268761)
I get a match in contributions, and it's not a poor performer by any means.

Also, I have a couple of different portfolios that I manage differently. I enjoy learning about companies and different industries as a hobby, so it's not lost time to me. If anything I get some knowledge that helps in other areas.