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Re:Optimizing Handwriting by jrockway on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:21AM (#10264348)
I write e with one stroke. I am very confused by this article.

In fact, I use one stroke for all lowercase letters except f, i, j, k, t, x, and z.

Re:Optimizing Handwriting by to3m on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:34AM (#10264394)
Going by the diagram, it looks as if substantial changes in direction are being counted as a new stroke (which is arguable). Look at `r' - I somehow doubt the pen is lifted between drawing one part and the next.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by masonicb00m on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @11:33AM (#10265642)
This is correct. I chose this definition of "stroke" for simplicity. It's meant as a proxy measure for "difficulty of writing the letter". A better measure might be "median time it takes to write each letter at an acceptable level of legibility", but that would require a lot more effort. The numerical results will depend on the measure of effort, but I suspect the general point will be the same.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by sdoering on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:43AM (#10264419)
When I was in school I learned writing longhand as a default. Not block letters. This way most letters are composed of one stoke.

So for me, as a German, this article did not make the slightest sense at first. And even having mostly switched to a kind of block letter style, I write most letters with one and max. two strokes.

I could never imagine writing a "w" with 4 strokes.

For me, this will always be one stroke. Four wold be like stoping my car engine at every direction change. Then getting out of the car. Reentry, engine start, change direction. Start driving. And so on.

Re:Optimizing Handwriting by david-given on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:46AM (#10264432)
(Agreed.)

...how do you write a 'z' if that's not one stroke?

Also, I was taught (poorly) to write 'f' as a single stroke. The best picture I can find is here, in the centre of the image:

https://twinkl.co.uk/image/resource_preview_xlarge/T-L-635A-...

Re:Optimizing Handwriting by jrockway on Monday September 28, 2015 @09:10AM (#10290232)
I put lines through my zs and 7s. It's uncommon I guess.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by baldfat on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:48AM (#10264436)
Well it wasn't really anything more than a exploration into handwriting and there is a ton of stuff out on the Internet concerning handwriting and there wasn't any mention any other research or tools. It was more of a shower thought written on medium.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by baldfat on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:31AM (#10264384)
Well it wasn't really anything more than a exploration into handwriting and there is a ton of stuff out on the Internet concerning this and there wasn't any mention. It was more of a shower thought written on paper.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by tP5n on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:43AM (#10264418)
hm, in elementary I got taught to write every word in one stroke, except for the uppercase F's and T's and the like. Consequently I found the article to be utterly confusing.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by digitalsigil on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:42AM (#10264414)
I also have some qualms with how you decide what is a "stroke", but this is an interesting line of analysis.

However, I would argue it is more important for an alphabet to optimized for readability rather than writability. If you want to write fast, learn shorthand or the stenotype!

Re:Optimizing Handwriting by masonicb00m on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @11:42AM (#10265699)
Admittedly, the choice of "stroke" definition is an imperfect measure of the cost to write each letter (see my comment above).

Even if you want readability to weigh more heavily than writability into the optimization, wouldn't you agree that increasing writability, at no cost to readability, would be good (it's a "Pareto improvement")? This is the point of the concluding section, which discusses swapping the meaning of existing letters.

Re:Optimizing Handwriting by glomph on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @09:24AM (#10264827)
Yeah. The most common letters should prioritize clarity not ease of handwriting. As such the symbol for e seems like a pretty good choice.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by koliber on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:30AM (#10264381)
If we are going to do radical alphabet redesigns, I suggest coming up with new designs for each of the 26 letters so that it only takes one stroke to write each. That would probably result in an alphabet that would be more difficult to read, but it would be optimized for the number-of-strokes-for-average-english-writing heuristic.
Re:Optimizing Handwriting by david-given on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:51AM (#10264442)
You might be interested to read about Elian:

http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html

I think the letter notation could use optimisation --- the cost per letter varies extensively, but the letters are assigned alphabetically, so letters near the top of the alphabet are cheaper to write than letters at the bottom --- but I like the underlying principle that it's designed for humans to write, not machines, therefore it's intended from the ground up to allow expression and choice in how you write it.

Re:Optimizing Handwriting by baldfat on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @07:50AM (#10264440)
#1 our zeros have a line striking through them

#2 the ones have a tick on the top at all times

Re:Optimizing Handwriting by Grue3 on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @10:57AM (#10265377)
Here's a great optimization: write in cursive! So much time is wasted writing every letter separately. If it's still too slow, there's always shorthand.