My Reality Moment. Why did I ever agree to do this?

Re:My Reality Moment. Why did I ever agree to do this? by Nadya on Friday September 18, 2015 @07:25PM (#10242626)

I absolutely prefer strict typing myself. The issue becomes whether or not one thinks type coercion should be a thing.

I'm personally against type coercion - but I also understand how it functions (and why it functions). I disagree with the "why" but as long as I understand the "how" I can avoid gotchas like string coercion. :)

Multiplication ( * ) and division ( / ) coerce to integers. Only + is used for strings, particularly concatenation. Personally I'm a fan of & being used for string concatenation and can't think offhand why not to use it, other than slight possibility of confusion over &&. However I'm not aware of a language that uses it.

  >>"5" * 5
  25
  >>"5" * "5"
  25
  >>"5" / 5
  1
  >>"5" / "5"
  1

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Re:My Reality Moment. Why did I ever agree to do this? by dumael on Friday September 18, 2015 @08:01PM (#10242743)

> I absolutely prefer strict typing myself. The issue becomes whether or not one thinks type coercion should be a thing.

As a strong typing fanatic, I'd rather have the interpreter/compiler scream at me. In my opinion automatic type coercion is slightly less wrong than undefined behavior in C.

(Aside, did you know that if GCC spots a statically provable null pointer deference, it will insert __builtin_trap() after the deference? I didn't know either until yesterday. This is acceptable because undefined behavior can mean "eat you hard drive".)

If for strings '+' is concatenation, and '*' is for replication with '-' and "/" as exception behavior I can fully understand. (Admittedly '+' over '&' is either style or hard-core "the operation is different, therefore we need a different symbol choice").

Your example worries me. Personally I would not design a language like that.

(Though I may have abused it in the past.)

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Re:My Reality Moment. Why did I ever agree to do this? by Nadya on Friday September 18, 2015 @08:11PM (#10242775)

>Admittedly '+' over '&' is either style or hard-core "the operation is different, therefore we need a different symbol choice

The former more than the latter. The operation is different therefore we need a different symbol choice - and & also makes as much sense stylistically as + does.

"string1" and "string2", when read, makes sense. & is different from the conditional && like piping | is different from the conditional or ||

>Your example worries me. Personally I would not design a language like that.

Neither would I, but I like to think it was part of "made in 10 days" that allowed it to stick around.

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Re:My Reality Moment. Why did I ever agree to do this? by dragonwriter on Friday September 18, 2015 @08:17PM (#10242790)

> "string1" and "string2", when read, makes sense. & is different from the conditional && like piping | is different from the conditional or ||

Of course, in languages where & and | are already in use for bitwise operations on ints (etc.), using & for string concatenation would be a different form of the same clash as using + is.

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