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Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by gregwtmtno on Friday September 18, 2015 @12:30PM (#10240124)
I can't believe such a large company would cheat like that. I think there must be more to this. Maybe a rogue employee?
Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by barkingcat on Friday September 18, 2015 @12:42PM (#10240197)
More like a Rogue CEO and Board. Decisions of this magnitude going over so many years likely were made by the people at the top.

Recall that VW Chairman Ferdinand Piech resigned earlier this year http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/25/uk-volkswagen-ceo-c...

The board was quoted: "The members of the steering committee came to a consensus that, in the light of the past weeks, the mutual trust necessary for successful cooperation was no longer there"

What likely happened was that the EPA filed suit against VW in April, and in uncovering the evidence needed to support the suit, VW chair Ferdinand knew that he needed to go in order to let VW continue to be a company. Or, Ferdinand could have been the ethical one and blew the whistle.

Either way, let out the stink. Corporations aren't nearly the kind of flawless entities you think they are.

Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by baakss on Friday September 18, 2015 @01:25PM (#10240558)
Corporations aren't flawless, but it definitely isn't a given that the people at the top have any clue what is going on with their software either. I can think of two instances that I've personally seen very similar to the referenced story where someone in middle to middle-upper management made the call, and only 1-2 devs/analysts had any idea what was done.

If anything that should go to show the lack of sophistication a lot of these projects have. There often is no project manager, no code reviews, and a messy codebase where snippets of very unethical logic can hide for years.

Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by seiji on Friday September 18, 2015 @01:07PM (#10240393)
I can't believe such a large company would cheat like that.

Companies, at the time when "company" was still being defined, used to do anything to exploit people and kill the environment just so their owners got a return on investment.

Only through the past 100 years of laws, regulations, and cultural refinement have corporations overtly stopped so many abuses of power. Some of the refinement is purely psychological manipulation as well ("Clean Coal!") and companies are still doing awful things to individuals, societies, and the world at large.

Our current generation is blind to many of these abuses because we grew up inside the bubble of "friendly companies." Friendly companies know they have to maintain their image. Friendly companies know they must hide their evil deeds from law/regulation because public relations now matters more than beating people with sticks to increase their productive output (because companies are immortal after all, you can't have the public turning on you).

Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by jandrese on Friday September 18, 2015 @01:00PM (#10240340)
A large corporation...acting unethically? Say it ain't so! This is why regulations exist in the first place, because you can't trust companies to act ethnically on their own. Their job is to maximize profit, and the invisible hand only works on money.
Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by cozzyd on Friday September 18, 2015 @01:30PM (#10240598)
> because you can't trust companies to act ethnically on their own

Indeed, this doesn't sound very German

Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by javert on Friday September 18, 2015 @01:09PM (#10240403)
You would think that they would be smart enough to only cheat when they won't get caught.

Here, they got caught, so they were being stupid.

You don't expect big, successful companies to be stupid (after all, they spend a ton of money to get the best CEOs they can).

Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by ams6110 on Friday September 18, 2015 @07:51PM (#10242716)
GM knowingly declined to fix the safety problems with their ignition switches. This really killed people, not just violated some arbitrary local emissions number.
Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by PhantomGremlin on Saturday September 19, 2015 @03:43AM (#10243618)
You are so right. GM didn't just kill a few people, they killed over 120 people:

   General Motors agreed to pay $900 million as
   part of a Justice Department investigation
   into its failure to fix a deadly ignition
   switch defect blamed for more than 120 deaths.
That is a shockingly high number. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/09/17/gm-justi...
Re:Volkswagen Is Ordered to Recall Nearly 500k Vehicles Over... by omginternets on Friday September 18, 2015 @12:51PM (#10240261)
Poe's Law is in full effect, here...