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Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:14AM (#10227197)
Thousands can be wasted on dumb stuff like bad office-supply purchasing decisions. Those folks don't get fired. Sounds overblown - folks afraid of anything they don't understand.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by sixothree on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:55AM (#10227522)
Having lived in the deep south most of my life I think I understand what's going on here.

It's not that they're afraid of things they don't understand. It's that there is a certain type of person they generally don't like. In this case it might have been a man that had some sort of intellectual curiosity, maybe a bit eccentric. And they will use their ignorance as a weapon against those people.

The police department knows full well they can determine whether this was a bomb or not. It's within their ability to interview every person he interacted with to find if he claimed it was a bomb at any point. Instead of doing that they will use their lack of knowledge to allow falsehoods to move the investigation.

It was within the ability of the staff to determine the monetary cost of this man's actions. In the very least they could compare the electricity bill during a month he was running SETI versus the next month when he was not. They could calculate the power consumption of the machines.

It's not that they are afraid of knowing. But that knowing or admitting the truthfulness of the facts makes them less powerful as people.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by xbryanx on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:51PM (#10228871)
Irving, Texas is not typical of what most consider the deep south. It's part of the DFW metroplex which is in the nation's fourth largest population center[1], and it's in a county that went 57% for Obama in the 2012 election[2]. So let's just be careful about painting wide swaths of the country with an singular view.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistic...

[2] - http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by 01Michael10 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:01PM (#10229421)
I guess you are not familiar with Irving's Mayor, Beth Van Duyne... Sorry to blow your theory right out of the water.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by TallGuyShort on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:44PM (#10229729)
Are you saying the Mayor defines this area more than the numerous other demographics that show it is not simply a backwoods hillbilly town?
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by 01Michael10 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @05:04PM (#10229855)
Yes... I believe the Mayor of Irving is an elected position by the people. It's a better indicator then being the 4th biggest metropolitan in the country like that matters.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by TallGuyShort on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @07:13PM (#10230618)
And going 57% for Obama also says something about the people. We're not saying they're bleeding-heart-liberals. We're saying it's a little more complicated than, "Oh well it's the deep South..." Too many people are dismissing this like it's just the norm. It shouldn't be. More people should be asking if Islamophobia is a bigger part of mainstream America than we're willing to admit.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by fnordfnordfnord on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @07:21PM (#10230648)
It doesn't say as much as you think. Texas has done gerrymandered itself up pretty good.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by lisper on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:12PM (#10227651)
I think it's both: ignorance is the source of their power, and they are afraid of losing it. (I also grew up in the South.)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Florin_Andrei on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:45PM (#10228419)
> ignorance is the source of their power

Ignorance is a source of power only within a like-minded group, and only as long as that group is powerful.

Now get out of there and see where ignorance gets you.

Or wait until that group washes out into the irrelevance of history.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by lisper on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:25PM (#10228681)
It's actually not the ignorance per se, it's the self-confidence that comes from a mindset that allows you to believe things without evidence, or even in the face of contrary evidence. That sort of self-confidence can be very powerful (c.f. Donald Trump) but, of course, it can also be very dangerous.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @07:22PM (#10230654)
Saying "don't worry, this group that currently holds power over large parts of the country only holds power currently, and only over large parts of the country" is not as reassuring as you probably meant it to be.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:21PM (#10228655)
If you're stuck within such a group, you can wait your whole life for history to prove you right and still be disappointed - better to start planning your exit strategy.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by braythwayt on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:22PM (#10229111)
"The market can remain irrational far longer than you can remain solvent."
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @05:51PM (#10230148)
Precisely - I actually started out with the same quote but trying to articulate a notion of epistemological solvency became unwieldy :-)
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by jessedhillon on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:44PM (#10228814)
> Or wait until that group washes out into the irrelevance of history.

That's all fine and good on a geological scale, but we've been waiting 200+ years for the irrelevance of this particular group, and there's not a hope in sight of it happening any time soon.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by andrepd on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:33PM (#10229197)
That, or they just didn't like that someone illegally installed money-wasting software on school property without so much as an approval request.

PS: Money wasting from their point of view, not making any judgement about SETI here

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by sixothree on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @06:15PM (#10230304)
Right. I really should have separated the two incidents from my single point.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by nowarninglabel on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:43PM (#10227916)
I don't get how this point is debatable.

I did this when I worked as a network administrator for a new school campus. It was folding@home vs. SETI but same concept. Once the administration realized all the computers were running folding@home they compared the bills after turning it off and it was tens of thousands of dollars difference (granted this was 2001 and full-size desktops).

Now, one could say they overreacted, sure, in my case I just got reprimanded and told to uninstall it off all the computers. But firing for costing the district significant amounts of money isn't some testament to the ignorance of the South, unlike the "bomb" clock.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by nadams on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:52PM (#10229348)
> tens of thousands of dollars difference

I still don't believe that - unless this was 10k computers+. I'll bet that if you used watts up on an idle computer, then used it on a computer running seti@home I'll bet the difference would only be 100 watt difference at the max (probably more like 50 depending on what is running on the computer).

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by acqq on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @06:18PM (#10230324)
See my other post here for details, 5000 desktop computers using 100% CPU all the time can cost some 18000 USD per month (1) more versus keeping them idle.

1) if 1 KWh costs 10 cents, which is reasonable to expect, and the load increases just 50 W.

And for this guy here it's even much more:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54609&pos...

His single computer uses 490 Watts when turned on and calculating Seti, and he's keeping it on for 18 hour more per day just for Seti. Only 500 of such computers and such usage patterns make 14000 dollars more per month.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by vacri on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:43PM (#10229722)
"compared bills after turning it off" is a direct measure of costs.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by TallGuyShort on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:54PM (#10229784)
5k is easily within an order of magnitude of what you would find believable, and he's only expressing an order of magnitude. I think your dispute is rather academic.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by Alupis on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:23AM (#10227274)
Would you still consider it "overblown" if he had run, say... a bitcoin miner on all those machines?

Sure, he didn't make profit from the seti@home instances, but he did it without approval, did ultimately cost the district money, and likely caused other issues along the way (like additional wear-n-tear on the machines)

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ohitsdom on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:25AM (#10227286)
I'd think administrators would have a very different approach to disciplining a "bad office-supply purchasing" decision versus a well-thought out choice to use school equipment & electricity for non-work related causes.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by tomswartz07 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @11:33AM (#10227356)
> electricity for non-work related causes

I wish we could fire teachers for using their computers for Facebook and Amazon shopping during the day.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by blacksmith_tb on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @12:32PM (#10227821)
And should private sector employers fire their employees for using their computers to do the same? Obviously I don't want to see teachers goofing off on social media instead of teaching kids, but if they aren't actively teaching, why not? The idea that every second of your time on the job needs to be spent furiously working is an attitude from the industrial revolution - I would have thought these days we were more interested in results.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:21PM (#10229108)
Do you want to be fired for using your computer for non-work activities?
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by lotharbot on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:01PM (#10228067)
in the school where I most recently taught, there was an explicit expectation that teachers could use district computers for personal business when on break. Being on facebook when they had kids in the room would be an entirely different matter.

The internet was also heavily monitored, with a proxy server that required a login to get to forbidden sites. Our IT guy had a pretty good idea of when teachers were getting on facebook etc.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ArkyBeagle on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:07PM (#10228123)
This question is not intended at all to be snarky. Seriously.

And then you'll hire them?

Gets complicated fast, dunnit?

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by blacksmith_tb on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @03:27PM (#10229151)
If they have shown they can get the job done, why wouldn't I? (Other than not being in HR and all).

Also, hard not to feel a little snark in the emphasis and "dunnit", really...

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ArkyBeagle on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @06:59PM (#10230550)
I would not have thought of that :) I just thought it was a contraction of "doesn't it".

Perhaps they are like farmers we paid to not grow corn in the past.

But that's just for the time-servers, not the dedicated professionals, who are probably the majority.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by ja27 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @01:04PM (#10228095)
dumb stuff

My wife was on the advisory committee for a local middle school that's struggling. One winner is that they bought SmartBoards for a bunch of classrooms but didn't get stands for them, so they just mothballed them for a year until they could buy stands with the next year's budget.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by HeyLaughingBoy on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:38PM (#10228783)
What would you have them do? If they're over budget, they're over budget and non-emergencies will have to wait.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by phaus on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @02:50PM (#10228852)
The obvious solution would be to buy fewer smart boards this year, along with the stands, and then buy the rest of the smart boards and stands the next year.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by nmrm2 on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @05:29PM (#10230045)
Sure, obvious. Until you're negotiating price points and you can save X% aggregate by purchasing Y boards at a time, and then figure you're only losing <<< X%*total_cost in depreciation... then it's just as obvious, but you're making a different decision.
Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by conanbatt on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @05:51PM (#10230147)
They pretty surely do if their costs were measured by someone.

I wouldnt call someone externalizing costs for whatever noble endeavor responsible or forward thinking.

Re:14-Year-Old Boy Arrested for Bringing Homemade Clock to S... by benihana on Wednesday September 16, 2015 @04:45PM (#10229735)
It's much easier to justify wasting money on normal business things every day people understand, like buying office paper. Most people can relate to that, even when things go wrong and money is wasted.

Most people, be they in the deep south or the northeast have no fucking clue what SETI is and may even have very specific metaphysical opinions on how we should deal with the possibility of alien life that doing this violates. Most people don't care enough about paper to do more than write it off as a normal expense.

I personally think that alien life is everywhere and I can't wait until we discover more evidence of it. But I think SETI is a huge waste of resources that could be spent better elsewhere. Even though I'm pro science, discovery, and utilizing wasted cpu cycles, I still think searching for life this way is a huge waste of time and resources and I'd be pissed if some teacher decided he was going to use the resources I take a part in paying for to do this.

The benefits of this are external while the cost is internal. If you're going to use resources, at least use them to benefits the kids who are in your budge.